Marl vs. Aiki14 - Ultimate Stock Picking Challenge

[MaryKay1965]

This thread is set up to determine if Aiki14 can outperform Marl (The Stock Picking Robot from DoublingStocks) within a 20 day period.

Here's how it goes:


Marl will submit his pick via MaryKay1965 (before market open)
Aiki14 will submit his pick (before market open)
At the end of the day, a percentage gain or loss will be determined between the opening price and the closing price of each others stock picks.
A running tally will be kept.
After 20 days, the running tallies will determine the winner and the loser.


Prize:

If Marl wins, MaryKay1965 receives his choice of any book or video from the gift shop, courtesy of Aiki14.

If Aiki14 wins, MaryKay1965 will leave this forum and never come back.

[netwrangler]

This thread is set up to determine if Aiki14 can outperform Marl (The Stock Picking Robot from DoublingStocks) within a 20 day period.

Here's how it goes:


Marl will submit his pick via MaryKay1965 (before market open)
Aiki14 will submit his pick (before market open)
At the end of the day, a percentage gain or loss will be determined between the opening price and the closing price of each others stock picks.
A running tally will be kept.
After 20 days, the running tallies will determine the winner and the loser.


Prize:

If Marl wins, MaryKay1965 receives his choice of any book or video from the gift shop, courtesy of Aiki14.

If Aiki14 wins, MaryKay1965 will leave this forum and never come back.Why not use the monthly simulation contest for this?
MaryKay, you can use Marl's picks.
Aiki, you can use your picks.
Let's keep a running tally month by month!

Sounds like a realistic contest to me.

[aiki14]

This thread is set up to determine if Aiki14 can outperform Marl (The Stock Picking Robot from DoublingStocks) within a 20 day period.

Here's how it goes:


Marl will submit his pick via MaryKay1965 (before market open)
Aiki14 will submit his pick (before market open)
At the end of the day, a percentage gain or loss will be determined between the opening price and the closing price of each others stock picks.
A running tally will be kept.
After 20 days, the running tallies will determine the winner and the loser.


Prize:

If Marl wins, MaryKay1965 receives his choice of any book or video from the gift shop, courtesy of Aiki14.

If Aiki14 wins, MaryKay1965 will leave this forum and never come back.

My First Pick is BSRC.

[AJLightning]

This thread is set up to determine if Aiki14 can outperform Marl (The Stock Picking Robot from DoublingStocks) within a 20 day period.

Here's how it goes:


Marl will submit his pick via MaryKay1965 (before market open)
Aiki14 will submit his pick (before market open)
At the end of the day, a percentage gain or loss will be determined between the opening price and the closing price of each others stock picks.
A running tally will be kept.
After 20 days, the running tallies will determine the winner and the loser.


Prize:

If Marl wins, MaryKay1965 receives his choice of any book or video from the gift shop, courtesy of Aiki14.

If Aiki14 wins, MaryKay1965 will leave this forum and never come back.




Nice knowing ya :thefinger:

[AJLightning]

WAIT!!!
BSRC?
:dontknow:

[MaryKay1965]

Thurs. 01-17-08 1:25 A.M.
Marl's Recommendation: United Panam Financial Corp. (UPFC)

[aiki14]

Why not use the monthly simulation contest for this?
MaryKay, you can use Marl's picks.
Aiki, you can use your picks.
Let's keep a running tally month by month!

Sounds like a realistic contest to me.

Net, I just don't have the time for that. This will be fun and manageable.

[printboy63]

Oh, Come On Aiki, you can easily drop Marl like a bad habit... What, did you lose your darts? :wink:

[aiki14]

I was browsing through the forum bookstore and there are some great things there.
Marykay, I would recommend "Breakthrough strategies for predicting any market" By Jeffrey Greenblatt. It's a comprehensive text, very current, and he's a good source for information a trader can use. The downside for you is it's pretty advanced, and since it isn't written in crayon may be difficult for you, but it's $150 bucks and you could probably get $100 on Ebay if you don't drool on it. :beer:

[aiki14]

UPFC open @ 3.89
BSRC open @ .79

[xpiratesxcorex]

Looks like you're going to win round 1 aiki

[MaryKay1965]

Looks like you're going to win round 1 aiki

I agree. I will give credit where credit is due. Very, very nice 1st pick, Aiki14. :D

[Thierry Martin]

I can see the marketing now:


The Only Human that easily beats The Stock Trading Robot!

Guaranteed Profits of over 2,000% Monthly!

Aiki14 the Trading Master Rocks the Trading World

with the new Anti-Marl Investing System!

Why keep your lousy job - all you have to do is follow Aiki14's trades and make a fortune beating trading pros at their own game without ever having to do anything except follow his trades blindly.

30 day money-back guarantee (if you can reach our refund department)

[NoReverse]

:mrgreen: SIGN ME UP!!!! :mrgreen:

[MaryKay1965]

I can see the marketing now:


The Only Human that easily beats The Stock Trading Robot!

Guaranteed Profits of over 2,000% Monthly!

Aiki14 the Trading Master Rocks the Trading World

with the new Anti-Marl Investing System!

Why keep your lousy job - all you have to do is follow Aiki14's trades and make a fortune beating trading pros at their own game without ever having to do anything except follow his trades blindly.

30 day money-back guarantee (if you can reach our refund department)

Sign me up!!! Aiki14, do you need a PR man???

Day 1
Aiki14: +26.03%
Marl: +3.96%

[aiki14]

UPFC open @ 3.89
BSRC open @ .79

So, I am showing the closes as follows:

UPFC 3.9474 or up 1.48% So $1000 invested would have returned $1014.80 (before commissions)

BSRC .92 or up 16.46% So $1000 invested would have returned $1164.60 (before commissions)

[aiki14]

Sign me up!!! Aiki14, do you need a PR man???

Day 1
Aiki14: +26.03%
Marl: +3.96%

You're working off the close from yesterday.
If I wanted a PR man it wouldn't be one named MaryKay, and frankly seeing your name and mine on the same page makes me a little sick.

[englishman26]

So you have to pick before the open each day, and you get the close, that day?? Or you're just doing this for one day?

[aiki14]

So you have to pick before the open each day, and you get the close, that day?? Or you're just doing this for one day?

20 days, pick before open. Open versus close price. Apparently Marl does not provide a new pick every day so the previous days pick is used again. Same for me if I want to use the same pick.

[MaryKay1965]

Fri. 01-18-08 12:25 A.M.
Marl's Recommendation: Alpha Pro Tech Ltd. (APT)

[aiki14]

I will go with BSRC another day.

[aiki14]

I can see the marketing now:


The Only Human that easily beats The Stock Trading Robot!

Guaranteed Profits of over 2,000% Monthly!

Aiki14 the Trading Master Rocks the Trading World

with the new Anti-Marl Investing System!

Why keep your lousy job - all you have to do is follow Aiki14's trades and make a fortune beating trading pros at their own game without ever having to do anything except follow his trades blindly.

30 day money-back guarantee (if you can reach our refund department)

I thought we'd start advertising now, what do you think?
2510

[aiki14]

Todays opens

Marl Picked APT and it opened at 1.60
Aiki Picked BSRC and it opened at .95

[reef]

I thought we'd start advertising now, what do you think?
2510


Ok so where do i sign up? I cant read the fine print but thats ok. :driver:

[englishman26]

That's very scary Aiki. I'm in!

So did you just get BSRC on a "down big the day before" screen or were you actually following it?

[aiki14]

That's very scary Aiki. I'm in!

So did you just get BSRC on a "down big the day before" screen or were you actually following it?

Actually found it doing a screen for a friend for cheap solars last week

[englishman26]

Actually found it doing a screen for a friend for cheap solars last week

GRSR is also a cheap solar but one which appears to be going nowhere!

I like BSRC's technology although it reminds me of XSNX and that thing has never really done anything other than trade speculatively.

Anyway - good pick. Better that Marl the trojan horse certainly!

[aiki14]

Todays opens

Marl Picked APT and it opened at 1.60
Aiki Picked BSRC and it opened at .95


End of Day 2
Closes
Marl APT 1.63 for a profit of 1.9%
Aiki BSRC 1.11 for a profit of 16.8%

Totals
Marl 1.9% + 1.48% = 3.38%
Aiki 16.8% + 16.46% = 33.26%


On $1000 commission's of $9.99 per trade would be 1% per trade. 4 trades each so far.
Marl Promises more than 34% weekly. I promise nothing
Marl charges $47 or $97 or $144 for it's "service". I charge nothing, if you ask I'll tell you all my trades, unless I find you annoying. I'm in the chatroom most days, stop in.

[aiki14]

MaryKay, After 2 days of this contest and 5 previous days where you posted Marls picks, are you noticing any patterns yet?
These guys promised 34+% per week. And they are not even breaking even, before commissions. And thus far some guy on a stock forum is cleaning their clock. But it's early, the incredible Doubling Stocks robot Marl the magnificent, is sure to come back strong and kick ass. Unless of course it's a scam, Right?


I added the color in case the folks who find us through a search engine, don't want to read the whole post. They'll get the salient points.

[Spa City Hawg]

Marl Promises more than 34% weekly. I promise nothing
Marl charges $47 or $97 or $144 for it's "service". I charge nothing, if you ask I'll tell you all my trades, unless I find you annoying. I'm in the chatroom most days, stop in.


WHAT I SENT YOU $39.95! :mad2: :biggrin:

[Keventerprises]

If Marl wins, MaryKay1965 receives his choice of any book or video from the gift shop, courtesy of Aiki14.


MaryKay is a he? This first poster had 55 existing posts...? Is it Luc1 in disguise?

[Keventerprises]

MaryKay is a he? This first poster had 55 existing posts...? Is it Luc1 in disguise?

...Sorry, retired 3rd grader.

[reef]

WHAT I SENT YOU $39.95! :mad2: :biggrin:

LOL, You didnt get a reciept? :mrgreen:

[Keventerprises]

LOL, You didnt get a reciept? :mrgreen:

Value: Priceless...

[MaryKay1965]

Marl's Latest Pick:
Jennifer Convertibles, Inc. (JEN)

Aiki14, I guess this will be Marl's pick for Tues.

[aiki14]

Marl's Latest Pick:
Jennifer Convertibles, Inc. (JEN)

Aiki14, I guess this will be Marl's pick for Tues.


I guess so.

[Wonder]

Hi,
I just purchased Marl on ebay and noticed that it just pretends to download the tickers and analize them.When I ran it this morning it picked JEN, the same as marykay.
So now I am thinking it just gets the pick from their server since when it is running there is no Tx/RX on my internet connection when it is running.
So is this just fake software??

[aiki14]

Hi,
I just purchased Marl on ebay and noticed that it just pretends to download the tickers and analize them.When I ran it this morning it picked JEN, the same as marykay.
So now I am thinking it just gets the pick from their server since when it is running there is no Tx/RX on my internet connection when it is running.
So is this just fake software??

I am sorry you spent your hard earned money on this junk. It is in fact fake, it only gets it's picks from it's headquarters, and who knows what it delivers from your computer to them. I urge you to read the posts here on Doubling Stocks, and get your money back if at all possible.
Welcome to the forum and good luck.

[aiki14]

WHAT I SENT YOU $39.95! :mad2: :biggrin:

The staff here at Aikistocks is working round the clock to serve you. We have returned the check to you, I am sure it's in the mail now. We don't accept checks drawn on banks in Belize anyway.
As a special bonus to make up for your inconvenience, we have upgraded you to our platinum service. :biggrin:

[Wonder]

Working on the money back thing :top:
Think I will just watch this thread for awhile and see the results.
I,m gunna see what Marl tells me every morning also.

By the way, Great Chair!

[Keventerprises]

I am sorry you spent your hard earned money on this junk. It is in fact fake, it only gets it's picks from it's headquarters, and who knows what it delivers from your computer to them. I urge you to read the posts here on Doubling Stocks, and get your money back if at all possible.
Welcome to the forum and good luck.

Curious, how do the individually installed Marl's come up with the same picks (centralized), but it continues running stocks even when the internet connection is taken away? Is it pre-loaded or synchronizing at night and subscribed to it's own newsletter?

[aiki14]

Curious, how do the individually installed Marl's come up with the same picks (centralized), but it continues running stocks even when the internet connection is taken away? Is it pre-loaded or synchronizing at night and subscribed to it's own newsletter?

No doubt it gets it's "stock Data" from headquarters. It would have to "update" price info daily, and it would pick up the picks at that time.

[Thierry Martin]

Curious, how do the individually installed Marl's come up with the same picks (centralized), but it continues running stocks even when the internet connection is taken away? Is it pre-loaded or synchronizing at night and subscribed to it's own newsletter?

I read that when you look into the code the stocks are already set for future dates.

[MaryKay1965]

MaryKay, After 2 days of this contest and 5 previous days where you posted Marls picks, are you noticing any patterns yet?
These guys promised 34+% per week. And they are not even breaking even, before commissions. And thus far some guy on a stock forum is cleaning their clock. But it's early, the incredible Doubling Stocks robot Marl the magnificent, is sure to come back strong and kick ass. Unless of course it's a scam, Right?


I added the color in case the folks who find us through a search engine, don't want to read the whole post. They'll get the salient points.

I realize your mind was already made up going into this contest. I'm just curious though, IF Marl outperforms your picks, are you still gonna be this arrogant and full of it, or are you gonna bow down and say the great Aiki14 was defeated. Just wanted to get an idea of where you stand if you're defeated.......

[aiki14]

I realize your mind was already made up going into this contest. I'm just curious though, IF Marl outperforms your picks, are you still gonna be this arrogant and full of it, or are you gonna bow down and say the great Aiki14 was defeated. Just wanted to get an idea of where you stand if you're defeated.......

If I am defeated, I will graciously buy you your item. My arrogance has nothing to do with 2 lucky picks, if I am arrogant it is due to much experience with these type of operations. They simply will not, and cannot deliver what they promise. This contest will prove that out even if I lose. I don't trade in the fashion of this contest, I am a momentum/swing trader, so if I do win playing their game it's doubly telling.
Of course, I intend to win, and yes I am used to winning, if that's arrogant, tough, live with it or beat me. You want a serious taste of arrogance sign up for the monthly simulator and I'll really show you how it's done.
This contest isn't about me, it's about an organized crime operation preying upon folks, and showing that to be the case is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself. Never hearing from you again is merely an added bonus.

[Sct402]

Hi, first post here, although I have been following this thread since the beginning. While I admit I am new to the trading world, I have spent a lot of time doing my picks and homework on paper. If you don't mind me asking AIKI14, what is it that attracted you to BSRC? I looked it up when you made that pick and I didn't see anything that really stood out to me as far as that stock. I was surprised when it saw the gains that it did over the past few days, as I am sure judging from the posts, other people are as well. I guess bottom line my question is, what did I miss???

[Thierry Martin]

Hi, first post here, although I have been following this thread since the beginning. While I admit I am new to the trading world, I have spent a lot of time doing my picks and homework on paper. If you don't mind me asking AIKI14, what is it that attracted you to BSRC? I looked it up when you made that pick and I didn't see anything that really stood out to me as far as that stock. I was surprised when it saw the gains that it did over the past few days, as I am sure judging from the posts, other people are as well. I guess bottom line my question is, what did I miss???

I'm going to answer because aiki14 will never tell you the truth - he uses a robot he paid $19.95 for which is the next generation MARL, it's called MARL2.

Welcome to OnlineTradersForum.com Sct402, glad you started posting!

[aiki14]

Hi, first post here, although I have been following this thread since the beginning. While I admit I am new to the trading world, I have spent a lot of time doing my picks and homework on paper. If you don't mind me asking AIKI14, what is it that attracted you to BSRC? I looked it up when you made that pick and I didn't see anything that really stood out to me as far as that stock. I was surprised when it saw the gains that it did over the past few days, as I am sure judging from the posts, other people are as well. I guess bottom line my question is, what did I miss???

First I did a screen for solar industry companies with prices under 3 dollars. I think I came up with 9 or 10, then I looked at each chart. What got me about BSRC is it has had a steady move up from oct to last monday, then a big drop on no news tuesday, and most importantly a gap down weds. Wednesdays candle has a long lower tail which I take as a reversal indicator. There was a stochastic cross forming weds into close, and OBV had an upward deflection in the last hour of trading weds. I see the stochastic cross indicating a buy bias, that is confirmed by the OBV. I looked for it to run through the gap thursday. When it came up short of the tuesday close on thursday, with a short upper tail candle, I saw that as a bullish indicator, stochastics told me it was still oversold, so I stuck with it friday. I sold out of half of my position at 1.20 and it retraced to 1.11. It may still have some upside left but fridays candle has a pretty long upper tail and I am not as confident as I was last week.
Hope that helps.

[Keventerprises]

Hi, first post here, although I have been following this thread since the beginning. While I admit I am new to the trading world, I have spent a lot of time doing my picks and homework on paper. If you don't mind me asking AIKI14, what is it that attracted you to BSRC? I looked it up when you made that pick and I didn't see anything that really stood out to me as far as that stock. I was surprised when it saw the gains that it did over the past few days, as I am sure judging from the posts, other people are as well. I guess bottom line my question is, what did I miss???

Yeah Aiki...:o and same for NRMX? The technicals look bad. What are you tuned in to? How do you look so far ahead? Or is this some kind of dump and pump scam? :mrgreen:

[netwrangler]

I'm going to answer because aiki14 will never tell you the truth - he uses a robot he paid $19.95 for which is the next generation MARL, it's called MARL2.

Welcome to OnlineTradersForum.com Sct402, glad you started posting!Oh, Thierry, you so missed it.

Actually, I believe that BSRC came up as part of a proctological exam. Now that's what I call DD! :biggrin:

[aiki14]

Yeah Aiki...:o and same for NRMX? The technicals look bad. What are you tuned in to? How do you look so far ahead? Or is this some kind of dump and pump scam? :mrgreen:

You're on the right track, for this contest, to protect my ego, I have picked stocks who's price I can move just by buying shares. I figure in 20 days with $250k I can show an upside of like 200% on the picks and have $100k left. That's what the DOUBLING STOCKS SCAM does, except they are smart enough to use other peoples money.
What's funny is I haven't traded a penny stock in years until BSRC. I like $10 to $20 stocks as a general rule for trading swings and momentum.

I am likely to take NRMX for monday in this contest but my screens have come up with a few others, GEE, SCT, STAK, UBET, WON. I screened for stocks under $3 that have come down in the 52week and 4 week time frames and up in the 5day timeframe but not as much as the 4 wk down. Then I'll use candle patterns, Bollinger bands with a 20 session center and 2 standard deviation outer lines, stochastics, fibonaci retacement, and OBV to confirm trends.
NRMX has the following indicators in addition to the price criteria above:
Bullish candle thursday, opened at low of day closed at high, gapped up slightly friday filled and closed at high of day friday. Stochastic cross thurs and %D well below %K, OBV uptrending, Fibonaci 89mma at 2.61. I am looking for 15-25% over the next couple sessions.

[netwrangler]

You're on the right track, for this contest, to protect my ego, I have picked stocks who's price I can move just by buying shares. I figure in 20 days with $250k I can show an upside of like 200% on the picks and have $100k left. That's what the DOUBLING STOCKS SCAM does, except they are smart enough to use other peoples money.
What's funny is I haven't traded a penny stock in years until BSRC. I like $10 to $20 stocks as a general rule for trading swings and momentum.
I thought that's what you might be doing.

God [an ecumenical 'higher power'] love you Aiki.

Brilliant!

What a great way to show that Doubling Stocks and Marl are a Scam.

[Keventerprises]

You're on the right track, for this contest, to protect my ego, I have picked stocks who's price I can move just by buying shares. I figure in 20 days with $250k I can show an upside of like 200% on the picks and have $100k left. That's what the DOUBLING STOCKS SCAM does, except they are smart enough to use other peoples money.
What's funny is I haven't traded a penny stock in years until BSRC. I like $10 to $20 stocks as a general rule for trading swings and momentum.

I am likely to take NRMX for monday in this contest but my screens have come up with a few others, GEE, SCT, STAK, UBET, WON. I screened for stocks under $3 that have come down in the 52week and 4 week time frames and up in the 5day timeframe but not as much as the 4 wk down. Then I'll use candle patterns, Bollinger bands with a 20 session center and 2 standard deviation outer lines, stochastics, fibonaci retacement, and OBV to confirm trends.
NRMX has the following indicators in addition to the price criteria above:
Bullish candle thursday, opened at low of day closed at high, gapped up slightly friday filled and closed at high of day friday. Stochastic cross thurs and %D well below %K, OBV uptrending, Fibonaci 89mma at 2.61. I am looking for 15-25% over the next couple sessions.

Please, don't insult my intelligence. I will take care of that myself. :mrgreen:.

[aiki14]

Actually, I believe that BSRC came up as part of a proctological exam. Now that's what I call DD! :biggrin:

I'd like to remind you that what I do in the privacy of my own car is my business.

[MaryKay1965]

You're on the right track, for this contest, to protect my ego, I have picked stocks who's price I can move just by buying shares. I figure in 20 days with $250k I can show an upside of like 200% on the picks and have $100k left. That's what the DOUBLING STOCKS SCAM does, except they are smart enough to use other peoples money.
What's funny is I haven't traded a penny stock in years until BSRC. I like $10 to $20 stocks as a general rule for trading swings and momentum.

I am likely to take NRMX for monday in this contest but my screens have come up with a few others, GEE, SCT, STAK, UBET, WON. I screened for stocks under $3 that have come down in the 52week and 4 week time frames and up in the 5day timeframe but not as much as the 4 wk down. Then I'll use candle patterns, Bollinger bands with a 20 session center and 2 standard deviation outer lines, stochastics, fibonaci retacement, and OBV to confirm trends.
NRMX has the following indicators in addition to the price criteria above:
Bullish candle thursday, opened at low of day closed at high, gapped up slightly friday filled and closed at high of day friday. Stochastic cross thurs and %D well below %K, OBV uptrending, Fibonaci 89mma at 2.61. I am looking for 15-25% over the next couple sessions.

In other words, he hasn't got his email yet from www.pennybusters.com.

[wallstreetsedge]

Curious, how do the individually installed Marl's come up with the same picks (centralized), but it continues running stocks even when the internet connection is taken away? Is it pre-loaded or synchronizing at night and subscribed to it's own newsletter?

its all synchronized to their main server.. the download of a 'stock pick' is actually a search and download of any new software or in this case.. advertisement wares

i tried to run it on an old computer and see what happens....

the 4 trojans popped up and quarantined them with norton. when you attempt an automatic delete with another software, the coding in marl attempts to change the start up files with over 58000 attempts.. thats right 58000 - 3 zeros

[Keventerprises]

You're on the right track, for this contest, to protect my ego, I have picked stocks who's price I can move just by buying shares. I figure in 20 days with $250k I can show an upside of like 200% on the picks and have $100k left. That's what the DOUBLING STOCKS SCAM does, except they are smart enough to use other peoples money.
What's funny is I haven't traded a penny stock in years until BSRC. I like $10 to $20 stocks as a general rule for trading swings and momentum.

I am likely to take NRMX for monday in this contest but my screens have come up with a few others, GEE, SCT, STAK, UBET, WON. I screened for stocks under $3 that have come down in the 52week and 4 week time frames and up in the 5day timeframe but not as much as the 4 wk down. Then I'll use candle patterns, Bollinger bands with a 20 session center and 2 standard deviation outer lines, stochastics, fibonaci retacement, and OBV to confirm trends.
NRMX has the following indicators in addition to the price criteria above:
Bullish candle thursday, opened at low of day closed at high, gapped up slightly friday filled and closed at high of day friday. Stochastic cross thurs and %D well below %K, OBV uptrending, Fibonaci 89mma at 2.61. I am looking for 15-25% over the next couple sessions.

WOW! Can we get your mind and Aikistocks.com on Podcast? :rock:

[englishman26]

WOW! Can we get your mind and Aikistocks.com on Podcast? :rock:

Or we could just code it up and sell an automatic stock picking program that might actually work!

[Sct402]

I'm going to answer because aiki14 will never tell you the truth - he uses a robot he paid $19.95 for which is the next generation MARL, it's called MARL2.

Welcome to OnlineTradersForum.com Sct402, glad you started posting!

Thanks! I'll send them my money right away!!! lol

[Spa City Hawg]

The staff here at Aikistocks is working round the clock to serve you. We have returned the check to you, I am sure it's in the mail now. We don't accept checks drawn on banks in Belize anyway.
As a special bonus to make up for your inconvenience, we have upgraded you to our platinum service. :biggrin:

Platinum WOW! :congrats: Thanks!

What does that mean :?: I get my picks after a big run and am left to chase the stock. :dontknow: or you gonna just put me on ignore. :argh:

:reddy::eviltongue::aetsch:

DON"T DO THAT! I NEED YOU! :adore:

:party:

[shaolin123]

You're on the right track, for this contest, to protect my ego, I have picked stocks who's price I can move just by buying shares. I figure in 20 days with $250k I can show an upside of like 200% on the picks and have $100k left. That's what the DOUBLING STOCKS SCAM does, except they are smart enough to use other peoples money.
What's funny is I haven't traded a penny stock in years until BSRC. I like $10 to $20 stocks as a general rule for trading swings and momentum.

I am likely to take NRMX for monday in this contest but my screens have come up with a few others, GEE, SCT, STAK, UBET, WON. I screened for stocks under $3 that have come down in the 52week and 4 week time frames and up in the 5day timeframe but not as much as the 4 wk down. Then I'll use candle patterns, Bollinger bands with a 20 session center and 2 standard deviation outer lines, stochastics, fibonaci retacement, and OBV to confirm trends.
NRMX has the following indicators in addition to the price criteria above:
Bullish candle thursday, opened at low of day closed at high, gapped up slightly friday filled and closed at high of day friday. Stochastic cross thurs and %D well below %K, OBV uptrending, Fibonaci 89mma at 2.61. I am looking for 15-25% over the next couple sessions.

Aiki, are you buying NRMX at the opening or do you expect some pullback?

[MoreYummy]

Aiki, are you buying NRMX at the opening or do you expect some pullback?

Yes, tuesday's open should be interesting. I want to know too. Dont put me on platinum status :D I want free. :tongue:

[MaryKay1965]

Marl's Latest Pick: Alpha Pro Tech Ltd. (APT)
Aiki14, this will be Marl's pick for Tues. 1-22-08

[Thierry Martin]

Yes, tuesday's open should be interesting. I want to know too. Dont put me on platinum status :D I want free. :tongue:

:welcome:) to the forum MoreYummy!

[Keventerprises]

Aiki, are you buying NRMX at the opening or do you expect some pullback?

Do you not know that you must go through proper channels before addressing Sensei in such a manner? ;o)

...to be removed from me press unsubscribe.

[shaolin123]

Yes, tuesday's open should be interesting. I want to know too. Dont put me on platinum status :D I want free. :tongue:

Aiki....you seem to be a smart guy in the market. Your analysis is thorough and your rationale is impressive. I am a newbie to the market; I make my trading decisions on basic fundamentals. These decisions consistently produce mixed results. I see that you have a good plan in action. If you don't mind, could you list some of your picks for the upcoming week. I want to figure out how some of your decisions are made. If not, no worries.

Thanks,
Shaolin

[Keventerprises]

Aiki....you seem to be a smart guy in the market. Your analysis is thorough and your rationale is impressive. I am a newbie to the market; I make my trading decisions on basic fundamentals. These decisions consistently produce mixed results. I see that you have a good plan in action. If you don't mind, could you list some of your picks for the upcoming week. I want to figure out how some of your decisions are made. If not, no worries.

Thanks,
Shaolin

You are a slow student.

[shaolin123]

You are a slow student.

If slow means new, then you're right

[Wonder]

I ran Marl also tonight at 6:25pm est and he picked APT also.

[Keventerprises]

You are a slow student.

No, I wish I could take that back, we are all slow students of Aiki, and that is what I meant with all my heart.

[Keventerprises]

You are a slow student.

I'm gonna go with Jesus. Final answer, although the Asians have been around since before like water.

[AJLightning]

I ran Marl also tonight at 6:25pm est and he picked APT also.



YA THINK? :stupid:

[AJLightning]

First I did a screen for solar industry companies with prices under 3 dollars. I think I came up with 9 or 10, then I looked at each chart. What got me about BSRC is it has had a steady move up from oct to last monday, then a big drop on no news tuesday, and most importantly a gap down weds. Wednesdays candle has a long lower tail which I take as a reversal indicator. There was a stochastic cross forming weds into close, and OBV had an upward deflection in the last hour of trading weds. I see the stochastic cross indicating a buy bias, that is confirmed by the OBV. I looked for it to run through the gap thursday. When it came up short of the tuesday close on thursday, with a short upper tail candle, I saw that as a bullish indicator, stochastics told me it was still oversold, so I stuck with it friday. I sold out of half of my position at 1.20 and it retraced to 1.11. It may still have some upside left but fridays candle has a pretty long upper tail and I am not as confident as I was last week.
Hope that helps.



Don't forget...they passed the rigorous Damp Heat Test!!!

One step closer to the almighty Underwriters Laboratories (UL) certification.

[aiki14]

I am going with NRMX for the contest.
So it's APT for Marl
and NRMX for Aiki

[aiki14]

Aiki, are you buying NRMX at the opening or do you expect some pullback?

It is for this contest, I do not advise buying penny stocks. However I am going to see what the market does, before I dive in, and also see if there is any premarket action.

[Wonder]

YA THINK? :stupid:

Just seeing if he is consistant :bootyshake:

[bigtex52]

Cohen's newsletter is pushing MTTG as of 9:30 this am. Wonder why his suggestion doesn't match what his "robot" predicts?:s:

[BSGCORP]

Cohen's newsletter is pushing MTTG as of 9:30 this am. Wonder why his suggestion doesn't match what his "robot" predicts?:s:

hmm that looked like a good pick. But I just feel like these companys make guesses on stocks, that have had a small amount of research done, if any. They just use software to take a look at the chart, and post an opinion from the most likely pattern showing

[MaryKay1965]

Cohen's newsletter is pushing MTTG as of 9:30 this am. Wonder why his suggestion doesn't match what his "robot" predicts?:s:

You are exactly right. I received a DS email approx. 8:30 A.M. recommending to buy MTTG. That is the main reason I started to post Marl's picks. I wanted to see if the picks were the same between "Marl" and the DS newsletters. If so, I could possibly get an edge on the picks for the DS newsletter. So far, that has not been the case, though. None of the picks from "Marl" have corresponded with the DS newsletter picks.

[bigtex52]

What were some of the previous newsletter picks?

[mmsitech]

Hi everyone, I've been following this thread for a litte over a week now and decided to jump in today with some information I received b/c I thought that it would be beneficial to the forum if anyone is still leaning towards purchasing Marl or the Doublingstocks newsletter.

I was talking on the phone earlier today with a friend of mine that lost a couple hundred dollars trading Marl picks before abandoning it. We both have been following the contest anonymously to see how Marl holds up. My friend thought that he may have prematurely pulled the plug on Marl. I've been watching to see if it's worth buying. I'm a new subscriber to the newsletter. After the seeing the first picks, my friend realized he didn't pull the plug early and when I told him about the newsletter article suggesting we check out MTTG... I started telling him that it actually sounds like a smart pick and maybe we should think about snagging a few thousand shares after doing a little more research...

He told me that I should definitely do more research... but before I do that... Go and view the "earnings disclaimer" on the Doublingstocks website. To get there, go to the hompage, and scroll down all the way to the bottom and you'll see the link that says "Earnings Disclaimer". "Look at the next to last line of the Terms section" he says... I had no idea why he wanted me to do this but hey... we're close... so I do it...

alright... here's a link for all you lazy folks... LOL

Doublingstocks Earnings Disclaimer (http://doublingstocks.com/disclaimer.htm)

Low and behold, What do I see but the following (I'm cuting and pasting directly from the site)

"Doublingstocks was compensated seventy five thousand dollars for highlighting MTTG to our members"

Now thats $75,000 for the literacy impaired... LOL I'd send an urgent note to my readers too!!!!

Now, this email newsletter publishing all the good information on why I should check out MTTG never mentioned this little tidbit...

Now, I'm definitely very skeptical as to Doublingstocks research methods and the great omnipotent "Marl"

Also, those thinking about the earnings guarantee should note the following from the earnings disclaimer: (also cut and pasted)

"THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL EARN ANY MONEY USING THE TECHNIQUES AND IDEAS IN THESE MATERIALS"

Needless to say, I will be getting a refund for my newletters subsription shortly.


I hope this information is helpful to the forum. :D

[netwrangler]

Hi everyone, I've been following this thread for a litte over a week now and decided to jump in today with some information I received b/c I thought that it would be beneficial to the forum if anyone is still leaning towards purchasing Marl or the Doublingstocks newsletter.

I was talking on the phone earlier today with a friend of mine that lost a couple hundred dollars trading Marl picks before abandoning it. We both have been following the contest anonymously to see how Marl holds up. My friend thought that he may have prematurely pulled the plug on Marl. I've been watching to see if it's worth buying. I'm a new subscriber to the newsletter. After the seeing the first picks, my friend realized he didn't pull the plug early and when I told him about the newsletter article suggesting we check out MTTG... I started telling him that it actually sounds like a smart pick and maybe we should think about snagging a few thousand shares after doing a little more research...

He told me that I should definitely do more research... but before I do that... Go and view the "earnings disclaimer" on the Doublingstocks website. To get there, go to the hompage, and scroll down all the way to the bottom and you'll see the link that says "Earnings Disclaimer". "Look at the next to last line of the Terms section" he says... I had no idea why he wanted me to do this but hey... we're close... so I do it...

alright... here's a link for all you lazy folks... LOL

Doublingstocks Earnings Disclaimer (http://doublingstocks.com/disclaimer.htm)

Low and behold, What do I see but the following (I'm cuting and pasting directly from the site)

"Doublingstocks was compensated seventy five thousand dollars for highlighting MTTG to our members"

Now thats $75,000 for the literacy impaired... LOL I'd send an urgent note to my readers too!!!!

Now, this email newsletter publishing all the good information on why I should check out MTTG never mentioned this little tidbit...

Now, I'm definitely very skeptical as to Doublingstocks research methods and the great omnipotent "Marl"

Also, those thinking about the earnings guarantee should note the following from the earnings disclaimer: (also cut and pasted)

"THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL EARN ANY MONEY USING THE TECHNIQUES AND IDEAS IN THESE MATERIALS"

Needless to say, I will be getting a refund for my newletters subsription shortly.


I hope this information is helpful to the forum. :D Looks like DS and Marl are the perfect scam.

Well, it is quite a business model.

Charge companies who want to be promoted.
Charge 'subscribers' who want to know what companies you 'pick' — which companies just happen to be the ones who paid you to promote them.
Where possible, download software [and/or malware] to your subsribers that link to pop-up ads.
Reap the 'click' revenue of 'subscribers' responding to those pop-up ads.

What is striking to me is that at no time in this business model scenario does a 'business partner' benefit. The DS / marl scam is totally selfish.

Given the prior posts, it is hard for me to understand why the DS / MARL Scam is still a subject of interest. I mean, at this point, we know that DS / MARL is a scam.

The only thing I can figure is that folks who talk about "testing" the DS MARL Scam are either in league with those folks, or are dupes of those folks.

Well recent posts opened up another possibility. They might simply be 'slow students'.

Get a clue!

[AJLightning]

Very well explained my friend! :dito:

[Keventerprises]

Looks like DS and Marl are the perfect scam.

Well, it is quite a business model.

Charge companies who want to be promoted.
Charge 'subscribers' who want to know what companies you 'pick' — which companies just happen to be the ones who paid you to promote them.
Where possible, download software [and/or malware] to your subsribers that link to pop-up ads.
Reap the 'click' revenue of 'subscribers' responding to those pop-up ads.

What is striking to me is that at no time in this business model scenario does a 'business partner' benefit. The DS / marl scam is totally selfish.

Given the prior posts, it is hard for me to understand why the DS / MARL Scam is still a subject of interest. I mean, at this point, we know that DS / MARL is a scam.

The only thing I can figure is that folks who talk about "testing" the DS MARL Scam are either in league with those folks, or are dupes of those folks.

Well recent posts opened up another possibility. They might simply be 'slow students'.

Get a clue!

Well said! There are also many elements of psychology brought into the equation for the marketing. DS reminds me of P.T. Barnum (sucker born every minute) and appeals to people's greed for easy money. New subscribers to the letter are immediately tempted with 'limited available positions to test the real deal' which appeals to people's fear of loss and abandonment, especially to people who tend to be pursuers, and it is discounted down from $28,000.00 to $97.00 just for you and offers more frequent opportunities to instant wealth. So since you 'can't go wrong' might as well get on the fast track and accelerate your success. What could go wrong?

Like you said Net, as a business model they are covering alot of bases in an all encompassing way, but it is not a symbiotic relationship. Maybe they are misfit immoral hackers who got fired from an IT company.

[Keventerprises]

Still of interest though is the fact that Marl's old picks move substantially in a positive direction several days later. I've assembled a Watchlist of accumulated Marl picks on Ameritrade, and EUOT from 1/17 was up 71.43% today, and the entire list since 12/27 was only down -.98% on today's heavily down trading. This is only for today's changes, but includes their old picks which seems to go against the pump and dump expected trend. This list is made up of all 29 accumulated Marl picks to date (since 12/27) on TODAY'S trading 1/22. Any thoughts or explanation for this track record in today's market?

[MaryKay1965]

Just ran "Marl" Here is the recommendation: UPFC
Aiki14, this will be Marl's pick for Wed.

[Kyle]

What is striking to me is that at no time in this business model scenario does a 'business partner' benefit. The DS / marl scam is totally selfish.

Actually, DS manipulates stocks for you. Seems quite convenient to me.

[Keventerprises]

Just ran "Marl" Here is the recommendation: UPFC
Aiki14, this will be Marl's pick for Wed.

UPFC was already used for Marl's pick on 1/17 in post #12. I believe what is happening here is the 2nd window of Marl says, "UPFC Message: Strong Technical Play". It is the 1st window that gives the pick of the day, and today's pick (1/22) is actually ADLI. What does UPFC mean as a message abbreviation?? 1/17 Marl was EUOT and DBMI. Up alot and down a little respectively. I'm pretty sure noone wants any do-overs.

[MaryKay1965]

UPFC was already used for Marl's pick on 1/17 in post #12. I believe what is happening here is the 2nd window of Marl says, "UPFC Message: Strong Technical Play". It is the 1st window that gives the pick of the day, and today's pick (1/22) is actually ADLI. What does UPFC mean as a message abbreviation?? 1/17 Marl was EUOT and DBMI. Up alot and down a little respectively. I'm pretty sure noone wants any do-overs.

do you have the marl software also? cause my marl said the pick was UPFC and yes, this has been picked a couple of times already. in fact, alot of the picks seem to be repeats.

[aiki14]

I thought I posted my pick for today, but I can't seem to find it, so I will go with the same pick again NRMX
I see that Marls Pick is UPFC

[aiki14]

Marls pick UPFC opened at 4.56
Aiki's pick NRMX opened at 1.70

[MaryKay1965]

UPFC was already used for Marl's pick on 1/17 in post #12. I believe what is happening here is the 2nd window of Marl says, "UPFC Message: Strong Technical Play". It is the 1st window that gives the pick of the day, and today's pick (1/22) is actually ADLI. What does UPFC mean as a message abbreviation?? 1/17 Marl was EUOT and DBMI. Up alot and down a little respectively. I'm pretty sure noone wants any do-overs.

The picks I have given have been in the bottom window that says:
Stocks To Buy. Just to clarify, the top window is the window that Marl uses to "analyse" it's stock picks. Probably what you have been seeing as "buys" are just the last pick displayed in the above window that Marl was "analyzing."

[Keventerprises]

The picks I have given have been in the bottom window that says:
Stocks To Buy. Just to clarify, the top window is the window that Marl uses to "analyse" it's stock picks. Probably what you have been seeing as "buys" are just the last pick displayed in the above window that Marl was "analyzing."

The Marl layout really is lame and way too basic. It uses poor punctuation and makes no recommendation of where to get in and where to get out, just buy, buy, buy, and it offers no analysis or reasoning for their logic. I guess they have $75,000.00 reasons for picking the ones they recommend. Yes, today it says ETFC Message: Strong Technical Play.

Cramer sound board: http://www.cnbc.com/id/18724672/

[Kyle]

The CEO of NRMX has his wife buying up common shares like mad. Obviously they must think the stock is going to go up at some point.

http://www.canadianinsider.com/coReport/allTransactions.php?ticker=nrm

[aiki14]

Marls pick UPFC opened at 4.56
Aiki's pick NRMX opened at 1.70

Todays Closes:
UPFC closed at 4.89 up 7.2%
NRMX closed at 1.92 up 12.9%

Totals after 4 trading days

Marl up 8.7%
Aiki up 40.9%

The Dow is down 1.7% over the 4 days.

[MaryKay1965]

Todays Closes:
UPFC closed at 4.89 up 7.2%
NRMX closed at 1.92 up 12.9%

Totals after 4 trading days

Marl up 8.7%
Aiki up 40.9%

The Dow is down 1.7% over the 4 days.

Aiki14, can you re-check the opening price on NRMX. My Zecco account as well as Yahoo.finance lists the opening price @ $1.80 PPS, not $1.70 PPS. That would definately change the 12.9% + gain.

[aiki14]

Aiki14, can you re-check the opening price on NRMX. My Zecco account as well as Yahoo.finance lists the opening price @ $1.80 PPS, not $1.70 PPS. That would definately change the 12.9% + gain.

Interesting Thompson shows an open at 1.70 (100 shares at 9:30:01 on the nasdaq national market system) but Yahoo shows 1.80, I'll say Yahoo is a good arbiter, so recalculating:

Marl pick UPFC up 7.2%
Aiki pick NRMX up 6.7%

4 day totals
Marl up 8.7%
Aiki up 34.7%

[MaryKay1965]

Interesting Thompson shows an open at 1.70 (100 shares at 9:30:01 on the nasdaq national market system) but Yahoo shows 1.80, I'll say Yahoo is a good arbiter, so recalculating:

Marl pick UPFC up 7.2%
Aiki pick NRMX up 6.7%

4 day totals
Marl up 8.7%
Aiki up 34.7%


NASDAQ Official Open Price: $ 1.80
Date of NASDAQ Official Open Price: Jan. 23, 2008
NASDAQ Official Close Price: $ 1.92
Date of NASDAQ Official Close Price: Jan. 23, 2008

[aiki14]

I'll take FMT for tomorrow

[MaryKay1965]

Aiki14, I haven't abandoned our contest. It's just from now on I am going to run Marl @ 9:00 AM before the market open and then submit the stock pick for that day. That way I will definately be submitting Marl's latest pick. Just wanted to let u know. :D

[MaryKay1965]

Marl's recommendation for today: BHBC

[mmsitech]

Marl's recommendation for today: BHBC


I've tried to run Marl a few times today to see what the picks are and it says server busy... When I go to the doublingstocks site on another PC, it's down... anyone else experiencing this :?:

[MaryKay1965]

I've tried to run Marl a few times today to see what the picks are and it says server busy... When I go to the doublingstocks site on another PC, it's down... anyone else experiencing this :?:

Arghhhhhhhhh.......Don't scare me like that again!!!!!! Where will I get all of my stock picking advice from????? :confused::confused::confused:

I just ran Marl again and he gave me the same recommendation, BHBC, and I also went to the DS website and had no problems there either. Could be a problem on your end.

[aiki14]

Todays picks
Marl BHBC opened at 4.63
Aiki FMT opened at 3.46

BHBC closed at 4.82 up 4.1%
FMT closed at 3.45 down .3%

Totals after 5 days

Marl up 12.8%
Aiki up 34.4%

[Keventerprises]

Todays picks
Marl BHBC opened at 4.63
Aiki FMT opened at 3.46

BHBC closed at 4.82 up 4.1%
FMT closed at 3.45 down .3%

Totals after 5 days

Marl up 12.8%
Aiki up 34.4%

...Can you feel the wheels turning? ...Drum roll...silence....

[MaryKay1965]

...Can you feel the wheels turning? ...Drum roll...silence....

IMO.....Marl takes the lead in 5 more picks.....with a total combinations of Aiki14's losses and Marls' gains......No problem.......and then it's TO THE MOON, ALICE, TO THE MOON.......No stopping Marl then.......IMO

[Keventerprises]

IMO.....Marl takes the lead in 5 more picks.....with a total combinations of Aiki14's losses and Marls' gains......No problem.......and then it's TO THE MOON, ALICE, TO THE MOON.......No stopping Marl then.......IMO

...Are you really Michael Kay? Most women don't cite or even remember old Jackie Gleason quotes, and know about hiding IP addresses. :rofl:

[MaryKay1965]

...Are you really Michael Kay? Most women don't cite or even remember old Jackie Gleason quotes, and know about hiding IP addresses. :rofl:

As stated in a previous post, MaryKay1965, is simply a screen name that I thought up because of my wife. She sells MaryKay products and she was born in 1965. So there, the mystery is solved.......and no I'm not some freaking transvestite/crossdresser/drag queen, etc.........not that there's anything wrong with that.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[netwrangler]

IMO.....Marl takes the lead in 5 more picks.....with a total combinations of Aiki14's losses and Marls' gains......No problem.......and then it's TO THE MOON, ALICE, TO THE MOON.......No stopping Marl then.......IMOYou know, for a self-confessed [or is it self-professed] "newbie", you got a lot of lip.

If you didn't know about the trading in the Asian and European markets last Monday, where do you get off with this "Marl takes the lead..." crap.

You are taking me back to my original opinion. You are gaming this forum and you should be ashamed.

[MaryKay1965]

You know, for a self-confessed [or is it self-professed] "newbie", you got a lot of lip.

If you didn't know about the trading in the Asian and European markets last Monday, where do you get off with this "Marl takes the lead..." crap.

You are taking me back to my original opinion. You are gaming this forum and you should be ashamed.

No, I'm not playin the forum and yes I am a newbie. I just simply don't like the attitude/arrogance of Aiki14 and I like yanking his chain. I realize from reading his posts that he is far more knowledgeable than most, but I also know that people like him tend to be set in their ways and unwilling to realize there are more than one way to skin a cat.

As for DS and Marl, yes I agree they are in the gray area of being a pump and dump, but hey, if it works, why try to fix it??? That's just my opinion and I am not trying to provoke anyone nor am I trying to influence or pass judgement on others.

[Keventerprises]

As stated in a previous post, MaryKay1965, is simply a screen name that I thought up because of my wife. She sells MaryKay products and she was born in 1965. So there, the mystery is solved.......and no I'm not some freaking transvestite/crossdresser/drag queen, etc.........not that there's anything wrong with that.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

...No, there's nothing wrong with that... :knuddel: :rofl:

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[Keventerprises]

No, I'm not playin the forum and yes I am a newbie. I just simply don't like the attitude/arrogance of Aiki14 and I like yanking his chain. I realize from reading his posts that he is far more knowledgeable than most, but I also know that people like him tend to be set in their ways and unwilling to realize there are more than one way to skin a cat.

As for DS and Marl, yes I agree they are in the gray area of being a pump and dump, but hey, if it works, why try to fix it??? That's just my opinion and I am not trying to provoke anyone nor am I trying to influence or pass judgement on others.

...Hurry to join...we only have 3 spaces left. :mrgreen:

[netwrangler]

No, I'm not playin the forum and yes I am a newbie. I just simply don't like the attitude/arrogance of Aiki14 and I like yanking his chain. I realize from reading his posts that he is far more knowledgeable than most, but I also know that people like him tend to be set in their ways and unwilling to realize there are more than one way to skin a cat.

As for DS and Marl, yes I agree they are in the gray area of being a pump and dump, but hey, if it works, why try to fix it??? That's just my opinion and I am not trying to provoke anyone nor am I trying to influence or pass judgement on others.Yeah, right!

Your first post came in saying you knew you were going to get bashed. You entered this forum picking a fight. You just admitted that you are gaming the forum with this thread.

As far as I am concerned you are a phony through and through.

My Aunt Nancy used to talk about a group of people she called "The Time Wasters of America." IMH[bc]O, you are a charter member. It pains me to see what you are doing to this forum. You are turning what used to be a really nice place to post into a branch of the WWE — effective, but despicable.

Strong letter to follow....

[aiki14]

No, I'm not playin the forum and yes I am a newbie. I just simply don't like the attitude/arrogance of Aiki14 and I like yanking his chain. I realize from reading his posts that he is far more knowledgeable than most, but I also know that people like him tend to be set in their ways and unwilling to realize there are more than one way to skin a cat.

As for DS and Marl, yes I agree they are in the gray area of being a pump and dump, but hey, if it works, why try to fix it??? That's just my opinion and I am not trying to provoke anyone nor am I trying to influence or pass judgement on others.

You know nothing about "people like me". I spend 10 hours a day looking at ways to skin this cat, and being adaptive and frequently changing my bias is part of the secret to success. As to "yanking my chain", don't kid yourself, I am doing this because I thrive on the competition, and hope to help the new investors, you are a soon to be forgotten hapless dupe.
If you had a clue you would realize MARL is way past gray area, and that "people like me" see it for what it is through experience. If you actually tried to buy and sell yesterdays pick you would understand why what it looks like on the surface and what it is really are so different. And admitting that it's a gray area and promoting it is immoral, but that concept apparently is of no concern to you either. My contempt for you is fading to a feeling of sadness for you, luckily those feelings will both be forgotten in 15 days.

[aiki14]

I'll Stick with FMT for today

[MaryKay1965]

Marl's Recommendation for today: BHBC (yes, it is recommended again)

[AJLightning]

You know nothing about "people like me". I spend 10 hours a day looking at ways to skin this cat, and being adaptive and frequently changing my bias is part of the secret to success. As to "yanking my chain", don't kid yourself, I am doing this because I thrive on the competition, and hope to help the new investors, you are a soon to be forgotten hapless dupe.
If you had a clue you would realize MARL is way past gray area, and that "people like me" see it for what it is through experience. If you actually tried to buy and sell yesterdays pick you would understand why what it looks like on the surface and what it is really are so different. And admitting that it's a gray area and promoting it is immoral, but that concept apparently is of no concern to you either. My contempt for you is fading to a feeling of sadness for you, luckily those feelings will both be forgotten in 15 days.




Rock on brother!!!! :rock:

[aiki14]

For today Marl picked BHBC again open at 4.90
Aiki picked FMT again opened at 3.56

[zozozo333]

I found this website through google!

[AJLightning]

I found this website through google!



Let me guess...you googled "ZOOBERANCE" and this forum popped up? ;)

[Thierry Martin]

I found this website through google!

:welcome:) to OnlineTradersForum.com zozozo333!

[aiki14]

Todays Closes
Marls pick BHBC closed at 5.05 up 3.1%
Aiki pick FMT closed at 3.27 down 8.9%


After 6 days the Totals are
Marl up 15.9%
Aiki up 25.5%

[Silverstone]

Mr. Aiki,

I like your style. Is there anywhere I can find your pick before the market opens?

Thanks,
Jaime

[Keventerprises]

Mr. Aiki,

I like your style. Is there anywhere I can find your pick before the market opens?

Thanks,
Jaime

Deja Vu.

[Keventerprises]

Mr. Aiki,

I like your style. Is there anywhere I can find your pick before the market opens?

Thanks,
Jaime

I knew you would be coming, Mr. Alfred E. Neuman. This is your other self, isn't it. You know you can't stay away.

[MaryKay1965]

Marl's Recommendation for Monday: GMST

[aiki14]

I'll Take ADAM for today

[aiki14]

Mr. Aiki,

I like your style. Is there anywhere I can find your pick before the market opens?

Thanks,
Jaime

I pick my contest picks here before the market opens. However, I would advise caution using them for investment advice. I am currently very short biased, and am only picking these longs to prove a point. Not to mention the fact that the last couple of days I have been down.
My "style" is to trade, not pick a stock premarket and let it run, the biggest positions I have right now are VIX calls, and I am expecting the FOMC to screw up, but I am hedged against the position with qqqq calls. These days I would have puts against any long positions unless my timeframe was over 6 months.
Good Luck

[aiki14]

Marls pick GMST opened at 4.36
Aiki's pick ADAM opened at 7.32

[aiki14]

Todays closes
Marls pick GMST closed at 4.37 up .2%
Aiki's pick ADAM closed at 7.10 down 3%

After 7 days
Marl up 16.1%
Aiki up 22.5%

[aiki14]

Correction

Todays closes
Marls pick GMST closed at 4.38 up .4%
Aiki's pick ADAM closed at 7.10 down 3%

After 7 days
Marl up 16.3%
Aiki up 22.5%

[MaryKay1965]

Marl's pick for Tues.: USEG

[aiki14]

I'll take FMT for today

[aiki14]

Marls Pick USEG opened at 4.06
Aiki Pick FMT opened at 3.57

[aiki14]

Marls Pick USEG opened at 4.06 closed at 4.13 up 1.7%
Aiki Pick FMT opened at 3.57 closed at 3.52 down 1.4%


Totals after 8 Days
Marl up 18%
Aiki up 21.1%

[BSGCORP]

this is getting preaty good. its alot closer now then i thought it would be.

[MaryKay1965]

Marl's Recommendation for Wednesday: EVOL

[aiki14]

I'll take FXP today

[atanas]

Aiki your avatar scares me!

Beating the beast.... keep going!!

[MoreYummy]

The avatar is taken like 80 years ago. :D

[aiki14]

The avatar is taken like 80 years ago. :D

Actually that pic is from around 1960.

[aiki14]

Todays opens

Marl pick EVOL @ 2.47
Aiki pick FXP @ 100.89

[MoreYummy]

Actually that pic is from around 1960.

Ok, my guess is not that far away :D

Let's see what happens after fed cut. We might go back a few more years after that. :D

[aiki14]

Todays Close

Marl pick EVOL opened @ 2.47 closed @ 2.45 down .8%
Aiki pick FXP @ 100.89 closed at 101.19 up .3%

After 9 days
Marl up 18.2%
Aiki up 21.4%

It should be noted that at this point, the Doubling Stocks promise would need 60% to be true. Thats a 70% shortage from what they promise, not counting commissions.

[microhedge]

Aiki, the fact that you have the patience to even continue with this ludicrous contest speaks volumes.

God Bless you man... and you know me... I'm serious :top:

[Keventerprises]

Todays Close

Marl pick EVOL opened @ 2.47 closed @ 2.45 down .8%
Aiki pick FXP @ 100.89 closed at 101.19 up .3%

After 9 days
Marl up 18.2%
Aiki up 21.4%

It should be noted that at this point, the Doubling Stocks promise would need 60% to be true. Thats a 70% shortage from what they promise, not counting commissions.

Of curious note, from what I saw this morning both were up substantially before market open during extended AM hours. I noted FXP as up by almost 9% and EVOL up 4.54% (exactly as was USEG yesterday). It seems as though the Marl pick may be sent to other perhaps earlier time zone countries first or the activity is from people getting up earlier than I did to get the pick, which seems to come in around midnight. That pre-market activity was a big factor for both of you, and me too. I wish we all could have taken advantage of it. I will try to get up earlier than early.

Please reply with input, experience and wisdom on causes and strategies!

[MaryKay1965]

Todays Close

Marl pick EVOL opened @ 2.47 closed @ 2.45 down .8%
Aiki pick FXP @ 100.89 closed at 101.19 up .3%

After 9 days
Marl up 18.2%
Aiki up 21.4%

It should be noted that at this point, the Doubling Stocks promise would need 60% to be true. Thats a 70% shortage from what they promise, not counting commissions.

Aiki14, The close for FXP on Zecco, Yahoo, and Nasdaq show $100.80, not $101.19.

Please adjust accordingly.

TY

Jan. 30, 2008 Market Closed
UltraShort FTSE/Xinhua China 25 ProShares ETF Market : AMEX

Last Sale $ 100.80

[microhedge]

Keventerprises said:


That pre-market activity was a big factor for both of you, and me too. I wish we all could have taken advantage of it. I will try to get up earlier than early.

Pre-market (and after market for that matter) activity is normal for high volume securities and ETFs such as FXP; it gives you a potential picture of the days direction among other indices. It is an every day occurrence.

EVOL on the other hand... simply open up a 5 or 10 day chart and look at the volume and the rise from "nil" to "heavy" before the EVOL Marl release and the subsequent trading day... that is manipulation pure and simple.

Elementary my dear Watson:beerglass:

[MaryKay1965]

Of curious note, from what I saw this morning both were up substantially before market open during extended AM hours. I noted FXP as up by almost 9% and EVOL up 4.54% (exactly as was USEG yesterday). It seems as though the Marl pick may be sent to other perhaps earlier time zone countries first or the activity is from people getting up earlier than I did to get the pick, which seems to come in around midnight. That pre-market activity was a big factor for both of you, and me too. I wish we all could have taken advantage of it. I will try to get up earlier than early.

Please reply with input, experience and wisdom on causes and strategies!

Keven, I noticed the same thing. You have touched on part of what I had started out to do by taking notice of Marl's picks. I know there are plenty of doubters on this forum about DS, and just like you, I don't care to hear from them. However, truth be told, IF you get in on the first part of the DS stock picks, and you don't get greedy and hold on, you can just about be assured of 25%-30% gains in< a day.

BTW, I have been keeping a virtual portfolio of Marls' picks from the day I started the contest with Aiki14, and IF anyone had purchased every stock Marl had recommended and held on to it, as of today, OVERALL, there is 95.04% INCREASE. Now, before I get trashed and yelled at, go back and look at the day the stocks were recommended, with the opening price vs. closing price today, and get an average of all stock picks. Unless my Zecco "watch list" account made a mathematical error, you will find my statement to be correct. Some of the picks have had a gain of 20-50%.

The only stock that may be in question is ETFC, which I informed Aiki14 about at approx. 10 A.M. one morning. I'm pretty sure that should have been my recommendation for that particular day, but I ran Marl the night before and got a different pick. I did not know at the time that Marl's picks seem to change somewhere between 12 midnight and 3A.M.

So far, my conclusion with DS is trade the email picks on a daily basis and Marls' picks are more long term........This is only my opinion...........I don't care to be trashed.........However, if you can state your opinion in a civil manner, please do so...........Call it what you like, +90% gains, in less than two weeks is hard to argue with............

[aiki14]

MaryKay your input and commentary here is truly legendary... what a waste :thumpdown:

You know, I checked Yahoo 3 times and at 4pm (on the screen at 4:17 or so) it said 101.19, the 100.80 shows a trade time of 4:10.

But for the sake of the contest here's the adjusted numbers per Yahoo

Todays Close

Marl pick EVOL opened @ 2.47 closed @ 2.45 down .8%
Aiki pick FXP @ 100.89 closed at 100.80 down .1%

After 9 days
Marl up 18.2%
Aiki up 21.0%

It should still be noted that at this point, the Doubling Stocks promise would need 60% to be true. Thats a 70% shortage from what they promise, not counting commissions. I wonder MaryKay if you still feel the Marl Purchase was worth it? I wonder if you are capable of recognizing the manipulation these guys are doing. If you traded my picks which I have, every one of them in my own account with my own money, you could be ahead of these results as I am. Try that with the scam picks. Thinly traded junk, prop bids, and blocks, you would find out that you couldn't get half of what the above results are.
11 days left for you, and nobody will even notice you're missing, how pathetic.

[MaryKay1965]

11 days left for you, and nobody will even notice you're missing, how pathetic.

I just hope you are a man of your word and live up to your end of the bargain. Gonna have some extra funds, to buy more DS/Marl stock picks, after I sell my new book/video on eBay. :thefinger:

[MaryKay1965]

Iteris, Inc ITI 2.63 -0.01 -0.38 130,150 2.80 2.54 2.74 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/11/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:343.00 EPS:0.16
Gain ($):-80.00 Gain (%):-23.32 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:16.50


Capstone Turbine Corporation CPST 1.53 0.00 0.00 2,331,611 1.57 1.48 1.51 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/14/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:164.00 EPS:-0.26
Gain ($):-11.00 Gain (%):-6.71 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:-5.88


The Fairchild Corporation Class A Common FA 2.66 -0.04 -1.48 2,300 2.70 2.66 2.66 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/14/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:260.00 EPS:-0.22
Gain ($):6.00 Gain (%):2.31 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:-12.27


United PanAm Financial Corporation UPFC 5.79 0.00 0.00 60,510 5.85 5.56 5.70 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/15/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:380.00 EPS:2.72
Gain ($):199.00 Gain (%):52.37 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:2.12


Beverly Hills Bancorp Inc. BHBC 5.21 0.14 2.76 25,153 5.29 4.93 4.99 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/16/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:414.00 EPS:0.71
Gain ($):107.00 Gain (%):25.85 Yield:9.86% P/E Ratio:7.14


Alpha Pro Tech, Ltd APT 1.40 -0.09 -6.04 237,701 1.50 1.38 1.46 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/18/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:158.00 EPS:0.12
Gain ($):-18.00 Gain (%):-11.39 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:12.41


E*TRADE Financial Corporation ETFC 4.55 0.41 9.90 82,613,407 4.74 4.14 4.36 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/23/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:290.00 EPS:1.49
Gain ($):165.00 Gain (%):56.90 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:2.77


Gemstar-TV Guide International Inc. GMST 4.31 -0.07 -1.60 1,905,736 4.45 4.30 4.34 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/28/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:436.00 EPS:0.49
Gain ($):-5.00 Gain (%):-1.15 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:8.93


U.S. Energy Corp. USEG 4.10 -0.03 -0.73 39,216 4.14 4.04 4.14 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/29/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:406.00 EPS:3.48
Gain ($):4.00 Gain (%):0.99 Yield:9.68% P/E Ratio:1.18


Evolving Systems, Inc. EVOL 2.45 0.10 4.26 354,004 2.49 2.35 2.47 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/30/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:247.00 EPS:0.07
Gain ($):-2.00 Gain (%):-0.81 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:33.57




Here's a copy of my watchlist if anyone wants the proof Marl has provided a gain of 95.04% in approx. 2 weeks.

[aiki14]

I just hope you are a man of your word and live up to your end of the bargain. Gonna have some extra funds, to buy more DS/Marl stock picks, after I sell my new book/video on eBay. :thefinger:

The low class smiley is apropos for you, an equally low class individual.
I am a man of my word, and will live up to the bargain, regardless of my disdain for you. If it comes to that and you do sell it on ebay, I will feel good, knowing that someone who is interested in educating himself or herself will end up with it. In fact I will buy it back from you and give it to the winner of the Monthly simulator if you like, in unused condition of course. It would be an opportunity for you to contribute something to the forum, something you have yet to do. Maybe you'll discover, contributing makes you feel good. I probably would have a better chance of explaining that to a bacteria or virus, but it's my nature to try.

[Keventerprises]

Keventerprises said:



Pre-market (and after market for that matter) activity is normal for high volume securities and ETFs such as FXP; it gives you a potential picture of the days direction among other indices. It is an every day occurrence.

EVOL on the other hand... simply open up a 5 or 10 day chart and look at the volume and the rise from "nil" to "heavy" before the EVOL Marl release and the subsequent trading day... that is manipulation pure and simple.

Elementary my dear Watson:beerglass:

Since the Marl pick goes up between 6-8am EST, it must be other consumers buying it, not them, otherwise there would be no benefit to them buying shares that often stay flat the rest of the day, so what other consumers get it before USA, UK 8 hours earlier? I'll have to get up at 4:30PST to see if there is any movement that early. It goes up until 6:00am PST on about 1,300 shares and then stays, but the previously listed volume goes away and back to little or nothing showing. Another old Marl pick EUOT has been cycling up and down bottom to top by a combined difference of up to 100%. Earlier today it went from .0007 to .00012 on 100 shares and showed a 71% increase on one purchase of what amounts to $.07 total? Now after hours it is suddenly up to 12,000 shares but flat price...? How can we beat these guys at their own game and ride the waves up and down? I see some consistencies and patterns within Marl, such as EUOT often ends up at the same gain of 71.43% and cycles between .0007 and .00012 and DBMI is similar. MTTG is at the top of the charts at 23% and will be at the bottom soon, but you can't short sell OTC shares so they're not making money on the way down. Where's the beef? What feeds the down trend and who keeps coming back for more? How do they make money on the decline? DBRM is another one I see cycling top to bottom repeatedly. The question is the timing of which one is next, and when I see CTCH at +119% earlier today, I want to know how to profit from the downturn and how they make it go down and still keep people coming back to buy that one again? Four that I see so far have gone up and down top to bottom a few times, while others in the middle do little or nothing, so they seem to have their favorite$. It would be easy and cheap to seed the clouds with a .0007 stock but CTCH is $4.00 on 37,000 shares. Now the Ask price on CTCH is $0.00 and the Bid remains at $3.82. No sellers? I sold it short today. Maybe they're learning they can't short the sub penny stocks?

Trying to solve the mystery and figure out their system and patterns.

[MaryKay1965]

Here we go again. It's O.K. for the big, bad stock guru (A.K.A. Aiki14) to make all the derogutory comments HE wants to, but not O.K. to have a silly, little smiley face ending anothers' comments. Anyhow, have you not seen the comment on the 95.04% GAIN Marls' recommendations would have made in the last two weeks if the stocks were bought and held instead of a one day analysis (a.k.a. our contest)

I copied/pasted my watchlist. Dispute the facts, sir, if you can.

No comment on that one, huh???????

IMO, so far, Marl has more than lived up to the promise of +30% gains/week. I'm just curious if your picks could have outperform Marls on a buy and hold contest..........

Nuff said

[aiki14]

Here we go again. It's O.K. for the big, bad stock guru (A.K.A. Aiki14) to make all the derogutory comments HE wants to, but not O.K. to have a silly, little smiley face ending anothers' comments. Anyhow, have you not seen the comment on the 95.04% GAIN Marls' recommendations would have made in the last two weeks if the stocks were bought and held instead of a one day analysis (a.k.a. our contest)

I copied/pasted my watchlist. Dispute the facts, sir, if you can.

No comment on that one, huh???????

IMO, so far, Marl has more than lived up to the promise of +30% gains/week. I'm just curious if your picks could have outperform Marls on a buy and hold contest..........

Nuff said

When that was the argument you said the Marl picks were short term only. Now you're buying and holding. But I guess if the scam doesn't work in the way you say, change the rules until it does.

[MaryKay1965]

Read the last paragragh in post #149 that I wrote tonight. I said from the beginning I purchased Marl with the sole intention of publicly posting picks to see where they went. I didn't know if they were short term, middle term, semi- middle term, long term, hold em till you turn 125 yrs old term, hold em for your great, great grandkids to sell, hell hold em till the cows come home.

The point is this: I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S WHY I WAS GOING TO "EXPIREMENT" WITH THE PICKS.

And then you and I got into this pissing contest about your picks vs. Marl's and so it was agreed to have opening price vs. closing price = % gain/loss to decide a "winner."

As stated in a previous post from today (#149), Marl is starting to take one pattern and the DS newsletter/email are starting to take another pattern.

Kevenenterprises, can you set it up so that I can PM you. I tried earlier, but the system said you did not accept PM's. I have a couple questions concerning DS/Marl, but I sure as hell don't want to post them in a public forum, especially not this one. If you can, I will PM in about a couple of hours. Off to the gym to work off some steam (and weight). LOL

[EDawg118522]

Kev just to let you know the DS offices are in England so that could explain the pre-opening activity you observed

[aiki14]

I copied/pasted my watchlist. Dispute the facts, sir, if you can.

No comment on that one, huh???????

IMO, so far, Marl has more than lived up to the promise of +30% gains/week. I'm just curious if your picks could have outperform Marls on a buy and hold contest..........

Nuff said

Lets start with the fact that after the 4th pick you'd be over the $1000 allotted and in this case $1147
And after 19 days from the first pick you'd be up $114 or nearly exactly 10% Hardly the 34+% promised per week.
If you had been lucky enough to start on the 14th you would have spent $1054 and returned in 16 days $312 or almost 30% again far short of the 34+% per week, and that's the best you could have done using your numbers with $1000 or close to it.

If you add up all the picks, you spent $3098 and you are ahead $481 or
just below 16% or approx 6% per week

Dispute those facts. You are as good at math as you are with the written word.

[netwrangler]

Remember, folks, there is no way to determine the actual results of DS and marl without a 3rd party audit.

What was promised?
To whom?
What was delivered?
Any bids or trades by 'related' parties involved?

This is what a true audit would show.
What are the odds ds/marl would agree to that level of openess?
imo - Slim and none, and Slim left town.

[Thierry Martin]

Lets start with the fact that after the 4th pick you'd be over the $1000 allotted and in this case $1147
And after 19 days from the first pick you'd be up $114 or nearly exactly 10% Hardly the 34+% promised per week.
If you had been lucky enough to start on the 14th you would have spent $1054 and returned in 16 days $312 or almost 30% again far short of the 34+% per week, and that's the best you could have done using your numbers with $1000 or close to it.

If you add up all the picks, you spent $3098 and you are ahead $481 or
just below 16% or approx 6% per week

Dispute those facts. You are as good at math as you are with the written word.

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Hardly a sinister conspiracy. I doubt the average hedge fund has as much transparency, I have heard of far darker shenanigans.

Before I get attacked for taking sides, I am only interested in mediating what seems like a very tense showdown here. I AM NOT TAKING SIDES. I don't approve or disapprove of DoublingStocks.com. We did promote them at one time, but there were too many complaints about their service so we stopped.

[aiki14]

This is interesting

from 1/14
"Remember, I'm only paper trading these stock picks, so no money lost there, either."

then the very next day 1/15
"And yes, I do consider having skills in the pennies. I don't normally trade the pennies, per se, but if D.S. sends me a pick in the newsletter/email, I will put about five hundred bucks on the line, just for chits and giggles."

Sound like one or the other is a lie.

[aiki14]

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Hardly a sinister conspiracy. I doubt the average hedge fund has as much transparency, I have heard of far darker shenanigans.

Thierry, I got the tax stuff from the two hedge funds that I invest in, and they make no promises of returns whatsoever. They don't say they'll make me 34+percent, and then in the disclaimer basically say never mind that stuff you're lucky if you get out with your watch. No company pays them to tout their stock.
Promising results in GIANT BOLD TYPE
and then hiding the disclaimer in the smallest type is how I define shenanigans. I would be interested in hearing about the darker stuff since to me preying on hapless dupes is pretty dark.

[Keventerprises]

Kev just to let you know the DS offices are in England so that could explain the pre-opening activity you observed

I know they're in UK, I'm wondering if they make separate releases to different time zones to favor their locals. Do you think they would go to the trouble to keep a separate list of subscribers based on region and make separate releases? I'm thinking they may do a release at 4:00pm GMT (Greenwich) for everyone worldwide, which would be a midnight release here. Just trying to get one step ahead of them. Do you know anyone in England? :mrgreen:

[Thierry Martin]

Are you saying that hedge funds don't work deals on IPO's?

I just got a call tonight from a friend who has a friend (that I don't know) who has to sell her house because she invested in a fund (not a hedge fund) that lost all the money and she is out $150,000, and the government can't do a thing about it.

[aiki14]

I know they're in UK, I'm wondering if they make separate releases to different time zones to favor their locals. Do you think they would go to the trouble to keep a separate list of subscribers based on region and make separate releases? I'm thinking they may do a release at 4:00pm GMT (Greenwich) for everyone worldwide, which would be a midnight release here. Just trying to get one step ahead of them. Do you know anyone in England? :mrgreen:

You can't buy stocks between 8 pm and 7:30 am on exchanges in the US, while some stocks trade on multiple exchanges, DCX is an example of a stock that trades on 11 exchanges in identical form. None of the stocks MARL has picked are of this catagory.
I would look to odd volume of the stock a week or two before the tout as a hint of impropriety. And of course, the volume on the day of the tout, and the price action is a better way of finding foul play. Yesterdays Marl pick had 50% higher volume than normal and many prop bids (where a large bid is placed but removed before executing to give the appearance of upward price pressure, and then the uptick occurs on very few shares). On the thinly traded stocks they tend to pick, it only takes a few thousand dollars to move things the way you want, and make it appear to the marks that the stock is legitimately going up. USEG had an average volume of 50k for the previous few days, 131k yesterday, 43k today, and if you look at a 5 minute chart of the last 4 days you'll see the anomalous price action that gives the appearance of a gain from open to close but only a few people could have been in those trades.

[aiki14]

Are you saying that hedge funds don't work deals on IPO's?

I just got a call tonight from a friend who has a friend (that I don't know) who has to sell her house because she invested in a fund (not a hedge fund) that lost all the money and she is out $150,000, and the government can't do a thing about it.

Not at all T, and I know the story of Hedge funds going under and people losing their shirts. But to be in a hedge fund you must be accredited, and as such it is assumed you are an experienced investor and know the risks. These guys are going after patsies, the more clueless the better.
And you have to have $1 million in investable assets and yearly income of $300k just to get in a hedge fund in the states. Hard to believe anyone in that category would lose their house for $150k. If your friend was in a mutual fund and there was malfeasance she would have legal recourse.

[Thierry Martin]

In an effort to keep this thread on course, I think we can all concede that the price action in the stocks that DoublingStocks.com is suspicious, however the mission we have is to determine if money can be made investing in their recommendations. I have no doubt that market makers, hedge funds, mutual funds, as well as individuals using lots of capital and options, can influence the price of stocks. The fed gooses the markets whenever it feels like it. And if you look at Cramer's picks, Monday to Friday, his mentions create huge spikes in the price of those stocks. Money can be made and money can be lost from these moves.

In a probably futile attempt to mediate this tension filled thread, I want to point out that the issue, as I understand it, is whether the picks that MARL spits out have any value. The conversation keeps going off course, I don't think even MaryKay1960 would argue that the marketing is not over the top, unethical, and misleading. What people are wondering is can the system be gamed for profit?

[Thierry Martin]

Not at all T, and I know the story of Hedge funds going under and people losing their shirts. But to be in a hedge fund you must be accredited, and as such it is assumed you are an experienced investor and know the risks. These guys are going after patsies, the more clueless the better.
And you have to have $1 million in investable assets and yearly income of $300k just to get in a hedge fund in the states. Hard to believe anyone in that category would lose their house for $150k. If your friend was in a mutual fund and there was malfeasance she would have legal recourse.

As I pointed out in the original post, it was an offshore investment fund, not a hedge fund, they bilked thousand of investors over several years. I'll find the news about it, she said it was in the paper.

[Thierry Martin]

From the Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080129.RNORBOURG29/TPStory/Business).

Here it is:

JUSTICE
Mutual fund fraudster gets 12 years
Norbourg founder Lacroix's sentence for $115-million fraud called 'important step' in securities prosecutions
BERTRAND MAROTTE
January 29, 2008
MONTREAL -- Quebec authorities have clinched one of the toughest jail sentences in Canadian securities history - 12 years less a day - against Vincent Lacroix, the disgraced founder of Norbourg Asset Management Inc. who defrauded thousands of investors.

In handing down the landmark decision, Quebec Court Judge Claude Leblond said the prosecution clearly demonstrated the systematic nature of the wrongdoing that took place over a period of five years between 2000 and 2005. Mr. Lacroix, the judge said, masterminded 137 transactions that diverted $115-million out of the mutual fund company's coffers and into accounts controlled by Mr. Lacroix, his wife and others.

Other factors cited by the judge were the large number of investors who were hurt - including some who lost their entire life savings - and the apparent lack of remorse on the part of Mr. Lacroix.

The 12-year sentence is just shy of the 15 years sought by the regulator, the Autorité des marchés financiers. But Mr. Lacroix, 41, could be eligible for day parole after serving about two years of his 12-year sentence, which combines consecutive and concurrent terms ranging from 42 months to five years on the different charges.

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The sentencing comes as securities regulators across Canada have faced criticism for lax enforcement, with some high-profile cases taking years to wrap up and others culminating in dead ends.

"This is an important breakthrough. It's an important step," Jean St-Gelais, the head of the AMF, said after the sentencing.

Toronto-based securities law expert Philip Anisman described the jail time as "a very significant sentence. I can't think of a sentence that long in another Securities Act prosecution."

By comparison, the maximum punishment for fraud under the Criminal Code is 14 years, he said.

"This punishment is the toughest ever in a penal [non-criminal] matter in Canada" that will be precedent-setting for economic crime prosecutions across the country, Mr. St-Gelais said at a press conference.

Mr. Lacroix, who was also fined $255,000, is appealing his conviction to Quebec Superior Court and a court date has been set for next month.

Mr. Lacroix and other Norbourg employees also face several civil suits and the possibility that criminal charges could be laid in the wake of a lengthy police investigation.

One Norbourg investor, however, was not satisfied with yesterday's result.

Mr. Lacroix's incarceration "won't put the money [I lost] back in my pocket," Michel Vézina, 68, said outside the courtroom.

Mr. Vézina said he and his wife lost their $300,000 investment in Norbourg funds, forcing him to return to work after having been retired for two years.

As to any money recovered from the civil court action, he said: "I'll be dead by the time it will be settled."

Earlier in the day, Judge Leblond threw out an attempt by Mr. Lacroix to avoid time in prison by arguing that his conviction on 51 violations under the Securities Act was unconstitutional because the provincial securities regulator was overstepping its authority.

Montreal-based Norbourg was shut down in 2005 after a police raid.

A whistle blower at the company tipped police to unusual activity.

The company filed for bankruptcy and a liquidator is trying to recover as much money as possible.

The AMF is a defendant in a class-action suit against Norbourg that alleges the agency did too little, too late to defend the interests of the small investor.

[netwrangler]

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Hardly a sinister conspiracy. I doubt the average hedge fund has as much transparency, I have heard of far darker shenanigans.

Before I get attacked for taking sides, I am only interested in mediating what seems like a very tense showdown here. I AM NOT TAKING SIDES. I don't approve or disapprove of DoublingStocks.com. We did promote them at one time, but there were too many complaints about their service so we stopped.Thierry, I'm not going to attack you for taking sides.
I am going to question your judgment for getting involved at all.

Here is the problem.

If you go to the ds/marl site, the first thing you see is this:


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If you scroll down 27 screens [assuming a 1024x768 screen size] you finally get to this.


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That link, which I highlighted before doing the screen capture, leads to the disclaimer text which you posted and which I quoted above.
Let me emphasize: This was twenty-seven screens down!
BTW: What you see are the actual sizes of both of these images.

So....

Is the disclaimer legal?
I'm sure their lawyers believe it to be.

Is the initial claim, that is the first thing you see, illegal?
I'm not an attorney, but this looks like it goes beyond 'puffing' to me. I'll leave this for the attorneys-general to decide.

Is the initial claim misleading?
It certainly appears to be misleading to me. In fact, what makes it seem truly misleading is reading it in light of the "fingers crossed behind my back" disclaimer that you can access, through a link, twenty-seven scrolling pages below the initial claim.

As for your statement

I doubt the average hedge fund has as much transparencyI find that irrelevant and immaterial.
Hedge funds are designed for the sophisticated investor. You have to prove that you are one before you can invest.
Ds/marl is designed for the unsophisticated investor...for the 'newbie'. As such I suggest a higher degree of transparency is appropriate and should be required. Turning your statement around, do you think you could find a hedge fund investor who would endorse ds/marl? That's hard to imagine, isn't it.

And as for

I have heard of far darker shenanigans.
well of course, but so what?
Are you saying that car-burglary should be forgiven because other people do car-jackings?

So we are back to the basic question, which is:
Why are you involved in this issue in the first place?

I'm sure you know that some will accuse you of getting involved for your own financial interest.
I suggest that, with this issue, you need to be like Caesar's wife.

[aiki14]

As I pointed out in the original post, it was an offshore investment fund, not a hedge fund, they bilked thousand of investors over several years. I'll find the news about it, she said it was in the paper.

That sucks T, I hate to see that.
I got into this to show the Doubling Stocks to be a scam. Attempting to "game the system" is immoral in the same way the scam itself is. First, somebody is still getting ripped off and I wouldn't make my money that way, second, it's another attempt to find an easy way.
I don't want to benefit in any way by a scam, and I have found the hard way works. That's what I am promoting.

[Thierry Martin]

Thierry, I'm not going to attack you for taking sides.
I am going to question your judgment for getting involved at all.

Here is the problem.

If you go to the ds/marl site, the first thing you see is this:


2580


If you scroll down 27 screens [assuming a 1024x768 screen size] you finally get to this.


2581


That link, which I highlighted before doing the screen capture, leads to the disclaimer text which you posted and which I quoted above.
Let me emphasize: This was twenty-seven screens down!
BTW: What you see are the actual sizes of both of these images.

So....

Is the disclaimer legal?
I'm sure their lawyers believe it to be.

Is the initial claim, that is the first thing you see, illegal?
I'm not an attorney, but this looks like it goes beyond 'puffing' to me. I'll leave this for the attorneys-general to decide.

Is the initial claim misleading?
It certainly appears to be misleading to me. In fact, what makes it seem truly misleading is reading it in light of the "fingers crossed behind my back" disclaimer that you can access, through a link, twenty-seven scrolling pages below the initial claim.

As for your statement
I find that irrelevant and immaterial.
Hedge funds are designed for the sophisticated investor. You have to prove that you are one before you can invest.
Ds/marl is designed for the unsophisticated investor...for the 'newbie'. As such I suggest a higher degree of transparency is appropriate and should be required. Turning your statement around, do you think you could find a hedge fund investor who would endorse ds/marl? That's hard to imagine, isn't it.

And as for

well of course, but so what?
Are you saying that car-burglary should be forgiven because other people do car-jackings?

So we are back to the basic question, which is:
Why are you involved in this issue in the first place?

I'm sure you know that some will accuse you of getting involved for your own financial interest.
I suggest that, with this issue, you need to be like Caesar's wife.

The reason I am getting involved is that the issues are getting confused. The marketing is obviously over the top, but probably legal, one would assume that they would have lawyers to check on these things. So going on and on about this, although it serves the purpose of warning the innocent about it, doesn't really answer the question that those who come to these threads want to know. Which is, given that they are pumping and dumping, can you still make money with the service?

I have no financial interest in getting involved, beyond trying to moderate the thread so that it stays on topic, thereby helping the forum survive. You don't seriously believe that anyone reading these threads would subscribe to DoublingStocks.com? And even if they did, I stopped advertising the service months ago, so I wouldn't benefit if they did. The threads about MARL even include links on how to get the software for free.

I realize that my obligation as the site administrator is to be as neutral as possible, and I believe I am doing that. I merely want to focus the argument away from marketing issues which are really not useful to the visitors here. People want to know if they can make money, despite the crazy marketing and the dubiousness (is that a word?) of the service, buying their picks. I don't think all this other stuff proves anything. I see outrageous ads at TheStreet.com for their services. It's a tradition in the financial marketplace. The issue is given that it may be a scumbag outfit, can people make money with it anyway?

[Thierry Martin]

Thierry, I'm not going to attack you for taking sides.
I am going to question your judgment for getting involved at all.

Here is the problem.

If you go to the ds/marl site, the first thing you see is this:


2580


If you scroll down 27 screens [assuming a 1024x768 screen size] you finally get to this.


2581


That link, which I highlighted before doing the screen capture, leads to the disclaimer text which you posted and which I quoted above.
Let me emphasize: This was twenty-seven screens down!
BTW: What you see are the actual sizes of both of these images.

So....

Is the disclaimer legal?
I'm sure their lawyers believe it to be.

Is the initial claim, that is the first thing you see, illegal?
I'm not an attorney, but this looks like it goes beyond 'puffing' to me. I'll leave this for the attorneys-general to decide.

Is the initial claim misleading?
It certainly appears to be misleading to me. In fact, what makes it seem truly misleading is reading it in light of the "fingers crossed behind my back" disclaimer that you can access, through a link, twenty-seven scrolling pages below the initial claim.

By the way, the rules of engagement for stock picking services is that you can't guarantee profits, however suggesting them or mentioning them is allowed. So it seems that the quote from their site is legal, as long as they don't make claims of guaranteed profits. These are the rules that everyone must follow, and although I understand how offensive it may be, I see ads like this all the time, it's certainly not just DoublingStocks.com that does it. Of course it doesn't excuse the damage it does to the unaware, but I think you need to dig deeper than that in order to discredit a service. I see Motley Fool ads that are more misleading than the one above, but I don't hear anyone calling for their heads to roll.

[Thierry Martin]

That sucks T, I hate to see that.
I got into this to show the Doubling Stocks to be a scam. Attempting to "game the system" is immoral in the same way the scam itself is. First, somebody is still getting ripped off and I wouldn't make my money that way, second, it's another attempt to find an easy way.
I don't want to benefit in any way by a scam, and I have found the hard way works. That's what I am promoting.

I have been waiting for a chance to use this smilie:
:dito:

[MaryKay1965]

You can't buy stocks between 8 pm and 7:30 am on exchanges in the US, while some stocks trade on multiple exchanges, DCX is an example of a stock that trades on 11 exchanges in identical form. None of the stocks MARL has picked are of this catagory.
I would look to odd volume of the stock a week or two before the tout as a hint of impropriety. And of course, the volume on the day of the tout, and the price action is a better way of finding foul play. Yesterdays Marl pick had 50% higher volume than normal and many prop bids (where a large bid is placed but removed before executing to give the appearance of upward price pressure, and then the uptick occurs on very few shares). On the thinly traded stocks they tend to pick, it only takes a few thousand dollars to move things the way you want, and make it appear to the marks that the stock is legitimately going up. USEG had an average volume of 50k for the previous few days, 131k yesterday, 43k today, and if you look at a 5 minute chart of the last 4 days you'll see the anomalous price action that gives the appearance of a gain from open to close but only a few people could have been in those trades.

Yes, you are sooooo right master, eTrade (ETFC) recommended by Marl, is a very thinly traded stock.

[Keventerprises]

Read the last paragragh in post #149 that I wrote tonight. I said from the beginning I purchased Marl with the sole intention of publicly posting picks to see where they went. I didn't know if they were short term, middle term, semi- middle term, long term, hold em till you turn 125 yrs old term, hold em for your great, great grandkids to sell, hell hold em till the cows come home.

The point is this: I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S WHY I WAS GOING TO "EXPIREMENT" WITH THE PICKS.

And then you and I got into this pissing contest about your picks vs. Marl's and so it was agreed to have opening price vs. closing price = % gain/loss to decide a "winner."

As stated in a previous post from today (#149), Marl is starting to take one pattern and the DS newsletter/email are starting to take another pattern.

Kevenenterprises, can you set it up so that I can PM you. I tried earlier, but the system said you did not accept PM's. I have a couple questions concerning DS/Marl, but I sure as hell don't want to post them in a public forum, especially not this one. If you can, I will PM in about a couple of hours. Off to the gym to work off some steam (and weight). LOL

I'm not going to communicate with you outside of this forum. I'd be glad to discuss any topic you wish in public and I see no reason to hide anything or have any type of secrets, co-dependency or bias. I only want to figure out the mechanics of Marl and see if there is a pattern.

[MaryKay1965]

Lets start with the fact that after the 4th pick you'd be over the $1000 allotted and in this case $1147
And after 19 days from the first pick you'd be up $114 or nearly exactly 10% Hardly the 34+% promised per week.
If you had been lucky enough to start on the 14th you would have spent $1054 and returned in 16 days $312 or almost 30% again far short of the 34+% per week, and that's the best you could have done using your numbers with $1000 or close to it.

If you add up all the picks, you spent $3098 and you are ahead $481 or
just below 16% or approx 6% per week

Dispute those facts. You are as good at math as you are with the written word.

And yes I will call you out on this. Anyone can look at my watchlist for the overall gains/losses and simply add/subtract them. It is very clear there is a gain of 95.04% As far as a dollar amount, I simply entered 100 shares per transaction. It had nothing at all to do with dollar amounts for me. This was the simpliest way I could keep up with the OPENING PRICE for that particular stock, (since the watchlist does not record opening prices for the day Marl recommended the stock pick.)

And anyway you look at it, xxx% gain is the same as xxx% gain, whether you invest $100, $1000, $10,000, $100,000 or $1M. DO YOU GET IT, AIKI14 ???? A gain is a gain is a gain.........

If you don't believe my watchlist, then do the simple math and figure the gains/losses yourself. You'll get the same results.

For now, my mind is made up as well as yours. If I had traded Marls' picks, from the day they were recommended, I would be up an additional 95.04%

WTF IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS, AIKI14

[aiki14]

Yes, you are sooooo right master, eTrade (ETFC) recommended by Marl, is a very thinly traded stock.

And you're still... well you know. GMST wasn't thinly traded either, but the majority of the picks you've posted were. (USEG, JEN, UPFC, ITI)
Why not respond to the post where I used your numbers to show the real returns of your scam.
What happened to psych 101? You weren't going to be drawn into arguing. You fail that too? I am just pulling your chain, right, all in fun.
I saw the forum bookstore has the Trading for Dummies books, if Thierry can order the one for vegetables you should consider it if you win. Or maybe Barney does a trading video. Or trading tubbies. So many for a person like yourself.

[MaryKay1965]

This is interesting

from 1/14
"Remember, I'm only paper trading these stock picks, so no money lost there, either."

then the very next day 1/15
"And yes, I do consider having skills in the pennies. I don't normally trade the pennies, per se, but if D.S. sends me a pick in the newsletter/email, I will put about five hundred bucks on the line, just for chits and giggles."

Sound like one or the other is a lie.

Simple explanations.....I DO trade the DS email/newsletter picks, but so far I HAVE ONLY paper traded the Marl's picks.

However, it is very clear, so far, that Marl's picks are not the same as the DS picks. Since I have access to both, I can make this determination.

Remember what I said to you a long time ago about the things you learn after you know it all.......Evidently one or the other IS NOT A LIE

[aiki14]

And yes I will call you out on this. Anyone can look at my watchlist for the overall gains/losses and simply add/subtract them. It is very clear there is a gain of 95.04% As far as a dollar amount, I simply entered 100 shares per transaction. It had nothing at all to do with dollar amounts for me. This was the simpliest way I could keep up with the OPENING PRICE for that particular stock, (since the watchlist does not record opening prices for the day Marl recommended the stock pick.)

And anyway you look at it, xxx% gain is the same as xxx% gain, whether you invest $100, $1000, $10,000, $100,000 or $1M. DO YOU GET IT, AIKI14 ???? A gain is a gain is a gain.........

If you don't believe my watchlist, then do the simple math and figure the gains/losses yourself. You'll get the same results.

For now, my mind is made up as well as yours. If I had traded Marls' picks, from the day they were recommended, I would be up an additional 95.04%

WTF IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS, AIKI14

Wow, you really believe that! I used your numbers and the results are as I posted 16% over 19 days.
Maybe someone else want to help you with this?

[MaryKay1965]

I'm not going to communicate with you outside of this forum. I'd be glad to discuss any topic you wish in public and I see no reason to hide anything or have any type of secrets, co-dependency or bias. I only want to figure out the mechanics of Marl and see if there is a pattern.

That is fine. I can respect your postition on this issue. I was going to PM you on a few issues concerning DS/Marl, just a few things I had dug up on the net, but since I wrote this post, I changed my mind.

[MaryKay1965]

The reason I am getting involved is that the issues are getting confused. The marketing is obviously over the top, but probably legal, one would assume that they would have lawyers to check on these things. So going on and on about this, although it serves the purpose of warning the innocent about it, doesn't really answer the question that those who come to these threads want to know. Which is, given that they are pumping and dumping, can you still make money with the service?

I have no financial interest in getting involved, beyond trying to moderate the thread so that it stays on topic, thereby helping the forum survive. You don't seriously believe that anyone reading these threads would subscribe to DoublingStocks.com? And even if they did, I stopped advertising the service months ago, so I wouldn't benefit if they did. The threads about MARL even include links on how to get the software for free.

I realize that my obligation as the site administrator is to be as neutral as possible, and I believe I am doing that. I merely want to focus the argument away from marketing issues which are really not useful to the visitors here. People want to know if they can make money, despite the crazy marketing and the dubiousness (is that a word?) of the service, buying their picks. I don't think all this other stuff proves anything. I see outrageous ads at TheStreet.com for their services. It's a tradition in the financial marketplace. The issue is given that it may be a scumbag outfit, can people make money with it anyway?

Thierry, I would also like to state that I have no financial gain in DS/Marl. Not once have I tried to sell anything to anyone concerning DS/Marl. I have not tried to post any affiliate links, etc. or told anyone to go to MaryKay's website and purchase DS so that I can make a commission or whatever. I am just like you and alot of other investors. I want to make a dollar buying/selling stocks and I thought I was doing this, in a public forum, to either A.) Prove this system can make money or B). Prove this system does not make money.

Why some of the forum posters, (Aiki14 comes to mind) are so damn determined that it is: Their way or the highway, I'll never understand. I have posted Marl's picks ahead of time and it is very clear, now, that Marls' picks could have been bought and held, up till today, and a gain of 95.04% could have been achieved. For me, that proves this "Marl thing-a-ma-jiggy" has some merit.......up till today. Call it pump and dump if you want, it doesn't matter. It is no different than when someone from CNBC mentions a company/stock over and over again and you can see the PPS rising as they speak. Or maybe, Cramer, hits the sound bite: BUY, BUY, BUY, and the PPS immediately goes up 10% within the first 5 minutes of the market open the next day and by 10:00AM the price has stabilized.

Final note, why I have put up with so much B.S. from unknown people, I will never know. Maybe it was to prove that the glass may be half full instead of half empty. Some of you out there know what I am talking about and some of you don't and then some of you know, but would not admit it, if your life depended on it. And that is a sad way to live your life..........

[MaryKay1965]

Wow, you really believe that! I used your numbers and the results are as I posted 16% over 19 days.
Maybe someone else want to help you with this?

Sure, someone step up. Aiki do you want me to provide an itemized list of opening price vs. closing price to achieve a gain/loss.

Then subtract the accumulated losses from the accumulated gains.

If you can't do that, maybe you're in the wrong profession.

Can you say: Would you like fries with your order?

[aiki14]

Sure, someone step up. Aiki do you want me to provide an itemized list of opening price vs. closing price to achieve a gain/loss.

Then subtract the accumulated losses from the accumulated gains.

If you can't do that, maybe you're in the wrong profession.

Can you say: Would you like fries with your order?

I used your numbers honey. If you bought 100 shares of each and held you would have spent $3098 and Gained $481 or 16% in 19 days.
If you are adding up the %'s it still doesn't add up to 95.04% it adds up to 85.04%. But that isn't practical in the real world because after 100 days you would have $10 positions. So you have to say, I am going to buy 1 $1000 position and take your chance or 2 $500 positions and take your chance.
If you started on 1/11 and did the 2 $500 positions you'd be down $149.15 but if you did it on 1/15 you'd be up 361.10.
Adding it up by % is not a real world strategy, unless you have infinite funds. As soon as you have to break it up into working pieces you can get burnt. And since the Marl offers no advice on entry and exit, or weighting, it becomes limited in value.
That's how you get sucked in, it looks great until you try to put it into real world practice, then it's a house of cards.
Also there were many times during the holds that you would have had to have nerves of steel to hold. At one point ITI was at 2.08, would you have held down 40%? Or on UPFC would you have held when it was down 21% to wait for a gain?
If you traded the stocks perfectly you make 85%, but the Marl doesn't give you exits, you could have been down 85% just as easy.

[MaryKay1965]

Marl's pick for Thurs: USEG

[aiki14]

Marl's pick for Thurs: USEG

I'll take ETFC. If the moderator deletes my post from the other thread, I will resign from the contest, and buy you your book/video, or just paypal you the equal amount in cash if you prefer.

[MaryKay1965]

If you are adding up the %'s it still doesn't add up to 95.04% it adds up to 85.04%.

ITI -23.32
CPST -6.71
FA 2.31
UPFC 52.37
BHBC 25.85
APT -11.39
ETFC 56.90
GMST -1.15
USEG 0.99
EVOL -.81
95.04

Wrong AGAIN.......Would you like fries with your order ?

[MaryKay1965]

ITI -23.32
CPST -6.71
FA 2.31
UPFC 52.37
BHBC 25.85
APT -11.39
ETFC 56.90
GMST -1.15
USEG 0.99
EVOL -.81
95.04

Wrong AGAIN.......Would you like fries with your order ?

Wait a minute, if you ran the register at McD, you might give me back $85.04 instead of $95.04, so disregard my last statement.

[aiki14]

ITI -23.32
CPST -6.71
FA 2.31
UPFC 52.37
BHBC 25.85
APT -11.39
ETFC 56.90
GMST -1.15
USEG 0.99
EVOL -.81
95.04

Wrong AGAIN.......Would you like fries with your order ?

Gotta admit you're right. 95.04. Now try to make it with the picks

[MaryKay1965]

Gotta admit you're right. 95.04. Now try to make it with the picks

Are you asking me to prove/disprove how I came up with a result of 95.04%. Not quite sure what you're asking for. Do you want me to chart the results of each stock with the opening price when Marl recommended it and then show the closing price today?

Just not really sure what you don't understand. I realize the numbers on the watchlist are jumbled up. I can't help that, all I did was copy/paste the watchlist. Obviously, it is easy to read in my account, but maybe this will help. I will copy/paste below the results for UPFC, and then explain what each number means. Then, you can do go back and see the results for each stock from my example.

United PanAm Financial Corporation UPFC 5.79 0.00 0.00 60,910 5.85 5.56 5.70 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/15/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:380.00 EPS:2.72
Gain ($):199.00 Gain (%):52.37 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:2.12

United PanAm Financial Corporation UPFC 5.79
The price immediately following the name is the closing price today.

60,910 5.85 5.56 5.70 USD
This is the VOLUME, HIGH, LOW, OPEN (in exactly that order, for Today)

Purchase date:01/15/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:380.00
This is the date Marl recommended to buy. Also, as stated before, I put in an order for 100 shares, therefore the opening price on 1/15/08 for UPFC was $3.80 PPS.

Gain ($):199.00
This shows the dollar amount gain/loss, assuming 100 shares were bought at market open on the day Marl recommended this stock.

Gain (%):52.37
This shows the gain/loss.

I really don't know how else to explain this to you. It is very, very simple to understand.

[reef]

What part of "Your right" did you not understand?

[aiki14]

Are you asking me to prove/disprove how I came up with a result of 95.04%. Not quite sure what you're asking for. Do you want me to chart the results of each stock with the opening price when Marl recommended it and then show the closing price today?

Just not really sure what you don't understand. I realize the numbers on the watchlist are jumbled up. I can't help that, all I did was copy/paste the watchlist. Obviously, it is easy to read in my account, but maybe this will help. I will copy/paste below the results for UPFC, and then explain what each number means. Then, you can do go back and see the results for each stock from my example.

United PanAm Financial Corporation UPFC 5.79 0.00 0.00 60,910 5.85 5.56 5.70 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/15/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:380.00 EPS:2.72
Gain ($):199.00 Gain (%):52.37 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:2.12

United PanAm Financial Corporation UPFC 5.79
The price immediately following the name is the closing price today.

60,910 5.85 5.56 5.70 USD
This is the VOLUME, HIGH, LOW, OPEN (in exactly that order, for Today)

Purchase date:01/15/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:380.00
This is the date Marl recommended to buy. Also, as stated before, I put in an order for 100 shares, therefore the opening price on 1/15/08 for UPFC was $3.80 PPS.

Gain ($):199.00
This shows the dollar amount gain/loss, assuming 100 shares were bought at market open on the day Marl recommended this stock.

Gain (%):52.37
This shows the gain/loss.

I really don't know how else to explain this to you. It is very, very simple to understand.

You're correct, it is very simple. You buy a hundred shares of each, you spend $3098 you make $461 16%. A real world example right off your post.
I will get you your fries now. But you'll only be able to afford the small order. I'd work at MCD's before I would be part of a scam, that's a matter of honor, a concept certainly wasted on you.

[EDawg118522]

Mary Kay, your rhetoric about comming in earnest as a newbie investor who seriously wants to test out a particular theory ie. that DS can provide insight into the behavior of penny stocks is fine and I dont think anyone would have a problem with that. However as you claim to be a newbie with no particular interest in the DS methodology other than if it works you must understand that people are going to be wary of any system that claims to do the work for you or make a process that requires a degree of competence simple for morons who subscribe to online stock recommendation newsletters. Your opponents are obviously very hard-working, disciplined individuals who have invested more than just capital into this "game." furthermore if you really are a newbie to this I would scaling back your level of combativeness towards them with because frankly having a mind like aki's preocupied with a conquest such as this is grossly inefficent. They write on this site to inform newbies like us and they are gracious enough to reply to simple questions from dimwitted newbies like me in a very timely manner. I subscribed to DS because I was fascinated by the concept of a system that could accurately predict swings in Penny stock prices. I never had any illusions of getting rich though, and since I subscribed in late november I have recieved a total of three picks all of them late, and all of them have tanked. it should come as no suprise that you are able to post theoretically positive results. If they couldnt do at least that they wouldnt spend a fortune on advertising, but if you are serious about your commitment to the DS method, why don't you start an account and show us the money and then listen to what these guys have to say because they will make u more :D

[EDawg118522]

Man I should proof read next time, but you get the gist

[Luc1Grunt]

Mary Kay, your rhetoric about comming in earnest as a newbie investor who seriously wants to test out a particular theory ie. that DS can provide insight into the behavior of penny stocks is fine and I dont think anyone would have a problem with that. However as you claim to be a newbie with no particular interest in the DS methodology other than if it works you must understand that people are going to be wary of any system that claims to do the work for you or make a process that requires a degree of competence simple for morons who subscribe to online stock recommendation newsletters. Your opponents are obviously very hard-working, disciplined individuals who have invested more than just capital into this "game." furthermore if you really are a newbie to this I would scaling back your level of combativeness towards them with because frankly having a mind like aki's preocupied with a conquest such as this is grossly inefficent. They write on this site to inform newbies like us and they are gracious enough to reply to simple questions from dimwitted newbies like me in a very timely manner. I subscribed to DS because I was fascinated by the concept of a system that could accurately predict swings in Penny stock prices. I never had any illusions of getting rich though, and since I subscribed in late november I have recieved a total of three picks all of them late, and all of them have tanked. it should come as no suprise that you are able to post theoretically positive results. If they couldnt do at least that they wouldnt spend a fortune on advertising, but if you are serious about your commitment to the DS method, why don't you start an account and show us the money and then listen to what these guys have to say because they will make u more :D

EDawg...I like your style.

[Luc1Grunt]

I will show YOU how to create YOUR OWN system, develop an edge, define the probabilities, calculate risk to reward, determine entry and exit, and.....

Oh wait, I have done that on this very site over time! Sorry, no "picks" were included as this is YOUR system, not mine. Those threads do not seem to get far, sigh.

[MaryKay1965]

Mary Kay, your rhetoric about comming in earnest as a newbie investor who seriously wants to test out a particular theory ie. that DS can provide insight into the behavior of penny stocks is fine and I dont think anyone would have a problem with that. However as you claim to be a newbie with no particular interest in the DS methodology other than if it works you must understand that people are going to be wary of any system that claims to do the work for you or make a process that requires a degree of competence simple for morons who subscribe to online stock recommendation newsletters. Your opponents are obviously very hard-working, disciplined individuals who have invested more than just capital into this "game." furthermore if you really are a newbie to this I would scaling back your level of combativeness towards them with because frankly having a mind like aki's preocupied with a conquest such as this is grossly inefficent. They write on this site to inform newbies like us and they are gracious enough to reply to simple questions from dimwitted newbies like me in a very timely manner. I subscribed to DS because I was fascinated by the concept of a system that could accurately predict swings in Penny stock prices. I never had any illusions of getting rich though, and since I subscribed in late november I have recieved a total of three picks all of them late, and all of them have tanked. it should come as no suprise that you are able to post theoretically positive results. If they couldnt do at least that they wouldnt spend a fortune on advertising, but if you are serious about your commitment to the DS method, why don't you start an account and show us the money and then listen to what these guys have to say because they will make u more :D

I can agree with you on several points. I am a newbie and I always will be. I am willing to admit that and everyone should always consider themselves newbies, because we will never know everything.

My only problem is that I came here to try to prove/disprove the DS/Marl picks, because for me, I have made money using DS email picks. I have developed a system for doing this, and would be glad to share it with anyone that cares to know it, but I refuse to post it in this public forum for everyone to see. As far as the posts I have made, not one single one of them has been posted AFTER market open. I even provided copies with date/stamp of the emails I recieved from DS, for some of the picks they have provided that made enormous gains within the first day of the release. If you have a couple of hours with absolutely nothing to do with your life, feel free to scroll back through the 100's of posts and find them. Those facts cannot be refuted.

I have also stated that, IMO (and yes, it's like an Ahole, everyone has one, including me) I think DS/Marl is worth the money. A 95% gain in two weeks speaks volumes. Aiki14 keeps saying 16%, but I truly do not understand why he gets one figure and I get another. Anyone with half a brain can look at the watchlist I posted and figure those gains/losses for themselves. Aiki14, even came close, because he swore I had figured the total to be 85.04% instead of 95.04%, until I had to itemize the figures for him and prove to this narrowminded human being that he was WRONG AGAIN. And Thierry, I used the nicest, most civil description for Aiki14 that I could. I still remember the PM you sent me as to how it is PC to address some of the posters on this forum, so give me an A+ for trying.

In summary, Edawg, I have no interest in DS/Marl enterprises and from the very beginning, I was accused of 1)working for them, being a shill, scam artist myself 2) sending out emails from www.rr.com (Russian Republic, according to Aiki14), when in fact www.rr.com stands for www.(RoadRunner).com, etc., etc. There seems to be all of these accusations, but just like every other topics with accusastions without merit, please: Someone tell me how or what I have done to profit from posting DS/Marls' picks. The lists just goes on and on and on. All of this from narrow minded, simple individuals who have got it all figured out. Hey, if their system works for them, great. But, from reading previous posts, before I joined the forum, I knew what I was up against coming in. Hell, I even opening stated this fact in my first post.

Now, as far as "contributing" to this posts. I have read several of the newbie questions and have not felt like I knew enough about various topics to offer my opinion, I leave that for the more knowledgeable traders. As I learn more, and am more confident in my answers, I will be happy to contribute. Aiki14, net, reef, etc. seem to be very knowledgeable about various aspects of the market, and seem to not mind (enjoy) helping others. I tip my hat to them. For what its' worth, they have 150% approval from me, for doing this. Net and Aiki14, both have answered, in great, in-depth detail, some of the questions I did not fully understand. And I tried to thank them as best I could for doing this.

However, one of my pet peaves, is some posters on here, just seem to over-voice there opinions on DS/Marl, without giving the "system" a full out test drive. That's my place right now on the forum. To post Marl's picks, premarket, for everyone to see, and let the results speak for themselves.

If Marl outperforms Aiki14, great, I get a book or video, courtesy of Aiki14. If Aiki14 outperforms Marl, I leave the forum. Simple as that. My life goes on, no matter what the outcome is.

As for the things I have learned in life. First of all, I am 41 yrs. old, male, have started (from the ground up) and sold two successful companies, , invested a large part of those proceeds in real estate, and work just about when I want to. Now, I'm not gonna post any pics of myself on the beach in Hawaii, (uh-hum, Aiki14) to try to prove my financial status to this forum, or anything like that, but I can tell you I have dealt with all kinds of crazy, low-life scum of the earth employees, businessmen, contractors, lawyers, etc. and I know how to make my own decisions for myself and it's too bad others can't do the same for them.

I guess my point is this: I don't need Aiki14 or anyone else here to "Piss in my face, and tell me it's raining."

[MaryKay1965]

You're correct, it is very simple. You buy a hundred shares of each, you spend $3098 you make $461 16%.

Aiki, you keep referring to a 16% gain, when I call it a 95% gain. You really should correct your answers, so as not to mislead anyone who doesn't really know how to figure a % gain/loss for a stock. Believe it or not, I'm sure there are some people that are confused over this disagreement between me and you. Anyhow, since you are very unlikely to admit you were wrong, hence the reference to the 16% gain over and over and over again, I will take the lead and provide below an example I use for obtaining a % gain/loss.


Here is an example for this particular stock:

5.79 (closing price) divided by 3.80 (opening price) = 1.5236842
1.5236842 -1 (always subtract 1) =.5236842
.5236842 converted to a %(move decimal point two places to the right)= 52.36842% or 52.37%

Therefore, the gain on this stock, up to this point is 52.37%

FYI...(If this number, 52.37, had a neg. (-) in front of it, it would represent a % loss, but since it didn't it represents a % gain.)

I am sure there is an easier way to achieve the same results, and no doubt, someone will be sure and point this out to me. This is just my method and it works, so I don't try to fix it.

United PanAm Financial Corporation UPFC 5.79 0.00 0.00 60,910 5.85 5.56 5.70 USD Trade
Purchase date:01/15/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:380.00 EPS:2.72
Gain ($):199.00 Gain (%):52.37 Yield:0.00% P/E Ratio:2.12

United PanAm Financial Corporation UPFC 5.79
The price immediately following the name is the closing price today.

60,910 5.85 5.56 5.70 USD
This is the VOLUME, HIGH, LOW, OPEN (in exactly that order, for Today)

Purchase date:01/15/2008 Quantity:100 Total Cost:380.00
This is the date Marl recommended to buy. Also, as stated before, I put in an order for 100 shares, therefore the opening price on 1/15/08 for UPFC was $3.80 PPS.

Gain ($):199.00
This shows the dollar amount gain/loss, assuming 100 shares were bought at market open on the day Marl recommended this stock.

Gain (%):52.37
This shows the gain/loss.

[aiki14]

If you buy a $100 stock and it goes up 50%
and you buy a $10 stock and it goes up 50%
you're not up 100% you're up 50%

[AJLightning]

I guess my point is this: I don't need Aiki14 or anyone else here to "Piss in my face, and tell me it's raining."



:bike:

And WE certainly don't need YOU :thefinger:



Edit: It's POURING outside by the way!

[Florida]

According to my figures, you are both wrong, but aiki is much closer. Below is a listing of each entry, closing price, total investment of each position and p/l for each position in dollars and percentage basis.

You cannot add averages or "average" averages, you must add the total profit or loss, and divide that into the total investment to come up with the total profit and loss percentage.



date stock entry exit total profit percent
entered price price invest loss p/l

11-Jan-08 ITI $3.43 $2.63 $343.00 ($80.00) -23%

14-Jan-08 CPST $1.64 $1.53 $164.00 ($11.00) -7%

14-Jan-08 FA $2.60 $2.66 $260.00 $6.00 2%

15-Jan-08 UPFC $3.80 $5.79 $380.00 $199.00 52%

16-Jan-08 BHBC $4.14 $5.21 $414.00 $107.00 26%

18-Jan-08 APT $1.58 $1.40 $158.00 ($18.00) -11%

23-Jan-08 ETFC $2.90 $4.55 $290.00 $165.00 57%

28-Jan-08 GMST $4.36 $4.31 $436.00 ($5.00) -1%

29-Jan-08 USEG $4.06 $4.10 $406.00 $4.00 1%

30-Jan-08 EVOL $2.47 $2.45 $247.00 ($2.00) -1%

total investment $3,098.00 total p/l $365.00 percent p/l 12%

[zozozo333]

According to my figures, you are both wrong, but aiki is much closer. Below is a listing of each entry, closing price, total investment of each position and p/l for each position in dollars and percentage basis.

You cannot add averages or "average" averages, you must add the total profit or loss, and divide that into the total investment to come up with the total profit and loss percentage.



date stock entry exit total profit percent
entered price price invest loss p/l

11-Jan-08 ITI $3.43 $2.63 $343.00 ($80.00) -23%

14-Jan-08 CPST $1.64 $1.53 $164.00 ($11.00) -7%

14-Jan-08 FA $2.60 $2.66 $260.00 $6.00 2%

15-Jan-08 UPFC $3.80 $5.79 $380.00 $199.00 52%

16-Jan-08 BHBC $4.14 $5.21 $414.00 $107.00 26%

18-Jan-08 APT $1.58 $1.40 $158.00 ($18.00) -11%

23-Jan-08 ETFC $2.90 $4.55 $290.00 $165.00 57%

28-Jan-08 GMST $4.36 $4.31 $436.00 ($5.00) -1%

29-Jan-08 USEG $4.06 $4.10 $406.00 $4.00 1%

30-Jan-08 EVOL $2.47 $2.45 $247.00 ($2.00) -1%

total investment $3,098.00 total p/l $365.00 percent p/l 12%

I agree with the above. I get 11.78% ($365 profit) gain for those picks. If you had a 95.04% gain, you would have had to be up $2944.34.

[aiki14]

Todays results
Mar'ls pick USEG opened at 4.10 and closed at 4.05 down 1.2%
Aiki's pick ETFC opened at 4.60 and closed at 4.97 up 8%

Totals after 10 days
Marl up 17%
Aiki up 29%

I would like to note that the DJIA is up 1.2% during the time period of this contest.

[Albert0373]

I will show YOU how to create YOUR OWN system, develop an edge, define the probabilities, calculate risk to reward, determine entry and exit, and.....


Saved all those threads to my computer a while ago, priceless information.

:beerglass:

[aiki14]

[SIZE="3"]Aiki, you keep referring to a 16% gain, when I call it a 95% gain. You really should correct your answers, so as not to mislead anyone who doesn't really know how to figure a % gain/loss for a stock. Believe it or not, I'm sure there are some people that are confused over this disagreement between me and you. Anyhow, since you are very unlikely to admit you were wrong, hence the reference to the 16% gain over and over and over again, I will take the lead and provide below an example I use for obtaining a % gain/loss.


I admit unreservedly that I made arithmetic errors, and you did a good job of trashing me for it, nicely done. I also agree there are some people who are confused, and thus I will stop saying 16% over and over and over again. I will let the other posters who have done the math with more alacrity than I speak to that issue. I see they have come up with 11.78% and 12% respectively, my mistake, I'll make sure to say 12% over and over and over again.
So I have admitted to making several errors in my math, now it's your turn to admit that the very concepts of this investing thing, actually buying and selling stocks, and the record keeping that goes with it are outside of your abilities.
Thats OK, don't let it get you down, just strap on that hockey helmet, get on the short bus, and go to your job. Take pride in being the best bagger at the A&P, and maybe in a few years they'll let you put the cans on the shelves.

10 more days. Drink more, drive fast, take chances, nobody will miss you.

[Keventerprises]

You can't buy stocks between 8 pm and 7:30 am on exchanges in the US, while some stocks trade on multiple exchanges, DCX is an example of a stock that trades on 11 exchanges in identical form. None of the stocks MARL has picked are of this catagory.
I would look to odd volume of the stock a week or two before the tout as a hint of impropriety. And of course, the volume on the day of the tout, and the price action is a better way of finding foul play. Yesterdays Marl pick had 50% higher volume than normal and many prop bids (where a large bid is placed but removed before executing to give the appearance of upward price pressure, and then the uptick occurs on very few shares). On the thinly traded stocks they tend to pick, it only takes a few thousand dollars to move things the way you want, and make it appear to the marks that the stock is legitimately going up. USEG had an average volume of 50k for the previous few days, 131k yesterday, 43k today, and if you look at a 5 minute chart of the last 4 days you'll see the anomalous price action that gives the appearance of a gain from open to close but only a few people could have been in those trades.

Thanks Aiki,
Yesterday one of Marl's old picks EUOT went up 71% on 100 shares Volume by going from $.0007 to $.0012. So...that gain was shown on a total transaction purchase cost of $.12? Looks good on the books though to say +71%...I was trying to figure out how to sell it short at $.00012 and sell short 1,000,000 shares for a few hundred dollars...but apparently that can't be done, because you can't sell short OTCBB stocks? I suppose Puts are out of the question too. How can we make them buy back their own stocks??? How can we be like Robin Hood and take from the rich and give to...us?

p.s. Watch DBMI tomorrow just for fun, it's down 60% today. Could be the next pick.

[MaryKay1965]

If you buy a $100 stock and it goes up 50%
and you buy a $10 stock and it goes up 50%
you're not up 100% you're up 50%

I have come to the conclusion that you are not trying to yank my chain. You really don't understand this concept. First, the above example is apple vs. orange, not apple vs. apples. Allow me to clarify:

Monday: purchase 1 share @ $100 PPS and that stock goes up 50% and you sell for $150, you have made a 50% gain for Monday.

Tuesday: purchase 1 share @ $100 PPS and that stock goes up 50% and you sell for $150, you have made a 50% gain for Tuesday.

Wednesday: purchase 1 share @ $100 PPS and that stock goes up 50% and you sell for $150, you have made a 50% gain for Wednesday.

Thursday: purchase 1 share @ $100 PPS and that stock goes up 50% and you sell for $150, you have made a 50% gain for Thursday.

Friday: purchase 1 share @ $100 PPS and that stock goes up 50% and you sell for $150, you have made a 50% gain for Friday.

Now, on Saturday, I count up my gains for the past week and I realize I have made a 250% gain (5 days X 50% gain/day). $100 X 250% = $250. That $250 represents a 250% gain on my original $100 investment.

Now, to the average person, a first reaction would be: Wait a minute, but you spent $500 on stock ($100 per day X 5 days = $500)

But, if you think about it, that's not the case.

I spent $100 on Monday morning, cashed out out $150 at the end of Monday so I now have $150.00. I take $50 of that and put it in my back pocket and use $100 for Tues. purchase of the $100 stock purchase.

Now on Tues. I take $100 (my intial $100 investment) buy another $100 stock and it gains 50%, so I cash out another $150.00. $50 more goes in my back pocket and I have $100 to purchase Wed. stock

On Wed. I repeat the process over again. At the end of the day, $50 is put in my back pocket (I now have $150 in my back pocket) and the remaining $100 is used to purchase 1 share of $100 stock on Thurs.

Thurs........same thing........$200 in back pocket.......

Friday.........same thing........$250 in back pocket plus I still have my orginal $100 investment.

And by Friday, I have a 250% profit. The initial $100 plus the $50 from each day (50% gain/day) I have a total of $350.00 in my possession from a start of only $100.00

This is exactly how you have to figure the gains/losses using the watchlist I provided. To better explain it, if I had provided 10 stock picks, then think about 10 days worth of trading and use a method exactly as above. One day could have been a gain, the next a loss, the next a gain, etc. and keep a running tallie until the results are accumulated at the end of the 10 days.

[MaryKay1965]

According to my figures, you are both wrong, but aiki is much closer. Below is a listing of each entry, closing price, total investment of each position and p/l for each position in dollars and percentage basis.

You cannot add averages or "average" averages, you must add the total profit or loss, and divide that into the total investment to come up with the total profit and loss percentage.



date stock entry exit total profit percent
entered price price invest loss p/l

11-Jan-08 ITI $3.43 $2.63 $343.00 ($80.00) -23%

14-Jan-08 CPST $1.64 $1.53 $164.00 ($11.00) -7%

14-Jan-08 FA $2.60 $2.66 $260.00 $6.00 2%

15-Jan-08 UPFC $3.80 $5.79 $380.00 $199.00 52%

16-Jan-08 BHBC $4.14 $5.21 $414.00 $107.00 26%

18-Jan-08 APT $1.58 $1.40 $158.00 ($18.00) -11%

23-Jan-08 ETFC $2.90 $4.55 $290.00 $165.00 57%

28-Jan-08 GMST $4.36 $4.31 $436.00 ($5.00) -1%

29-Jan-08 USEG $4.06 $4.10 $406.00 $4.00 1%

30-Jan-08 EVOL $2.47 $2.45 $247.00 ($2.00) -1%

total investment $3,098.00 total p/l $365.00 percent p/l 12%

Refer to post #208 for a more thorough explanation. You have to treat this on a day by day basis, since each stock was purchased on a seperate day. I wrote a very detailed explanation of this in post #208.

[MaryKay1965]

Thanks Aiki,
Yesterday one of Marl's old picks EUOT went up 71% on 100 shares Volume by going from $.0007 to $.0012. So...that gain was shown on a total transaction purchase cost of $.12? Looks good on the books though to say +71%...I was trying to figure out how to sell it short at $.00012 and sell short 1,000,000 shares for a few hundred dollars...but apparently that can't be done, because you can't sell short OTCBB stocks? I suppose Puts are out of the question too. How can we make them buy back their own stocks??? How can we be like Robin Hood and take from the rich and give to...us?

p.s. Watch DBMI tomorrow just for fun, it's down 60% today. Could be the next pick.

Keven, have you got the pick this week from the DS email/newsletter?

[aiki14]

I have come to the conclusion that you are not trying to yank my chain. You really don't understand this concept. First, the above example is apple vs. orange, not apple vs. apples. Allow me to clarify:

Monday: purchase 1 share @ $100 PPS and that stock goes up 50% and you sell for $150, you have made a 50% gain for Monday.

Tuesday: purchase 1 share @ $100 PPS and that stock goes up 50% and you sell for $150, you have made a 50% gain for Tuesday.

Wednesday: purchase 1 share @ $100 PPS and that stock goes up 50% and you sell for $150, you have made a 50% gain for Wednesday.

Thursday: purchase 1 share @ $100 PPS and that stock goes up 50% and you sell for $150, you have made a 50% gain for Thursday.

Friday: purchase 1 share @ $100 PPS and that stock goes up 50% and you sell for $150, you have made a 50% gain for Friday.

Now, on Saturday, I count up my gains for the past week and I realize I have made a 250% gain (5 days X 50% gain/day). $100 X 250% = $250. That $250 represents a 250% gain on my original $100 investment.

Now, to the average person, a first reaction would be: Wait a minute, but you spent $500 on stock ($100 per day X 5 days = $500)

But, if you think about it, that's not the case.

I spent $100 on Monday morning, cashed out out $150 at the end of Monday so I now have $150.00. I take $50 of that and put it in my back pocket and use $100 for Tues. purchase of the $100 stock purchase.

Now on Tues. I take $100 (my intial $100 investment) buy another $100 stock and it gains 50%, so I cash out another $150.00. $50 more goes in my back pocket and I have $100 to purchase Wed. stock

On Wed. I repeat the process over again. At the end of the day, $50 is put in my back pocket (I now have $150 in my back pocket) and the remaining $100 is used to purchase 1 share of $100 stock on Thurs.

Thurs........same thing........$200 in back pocket.......

Friday.........same thing........$250 in back pocket plus I still have my orginal $100 investment.

And by Friday, I have a 250% profit. The initial $100 plus the $50 from each day (50% gain/day) I have a total of $350.00 in my possession from a start of only $100.00

This is exactly how you have to figure the gains/losses using the watchlist I provided. To better explain it, if I had provided 10 stock picks, then think about 10 days worth of trading and use a method exactly as above. One day could have been a gain, the next a loss, the next a gain, etc. and keep a running tallie until the results are accumulated at the end of the 10 days.

You're right I am not just yanking your chain. Your explanation above does not make logical sense. You are clearly not up to this. Just post your picks and in ten days leave.

[Albert0373]

Just post your picks and in ten days leave.

Can't wait till this is over...:bebored:

[Luc1Grunt]

I would propose a different ending.

Regardless who wins, how about deleting these entire ds threads and let it die? Keep them in a buried file to continue to reap the Google hits though.

And any new posters inquiring about DS should have to have PM discussion with mods only. Delete all open posts, PM the newb and run with it. That would satisfy the curiousity of the newb, and spare the entire forum from these endless posts. Justifying these threads is worse than promoting them. Hell, I could PM them and sell them on the system, ha!

Not sure if that would be "acceptable" as it will likely keep "knowledge" about a potentially "great system" from the masses.

But just a thought. :)

[wallstreetsedge]

havent really been following this thread but whats going on?

is marykay...

pocketing the cash after each win/loss and resetting $100 in each trade?

or

reinvesting all the cash from each trade whether gain or loss into next trade?

how did things work out when marl didnt give a new pick? did it count as holding it overnight or selling at close and rebuying it at opening price in the morning?


i looked at the 95% thing and didnt get it, all you did was add and subtract numbers... you forgot to divide to get the average which ends up being about 47.5% avg for 5 trading sessions right?

if so, arent aiki's numbers better too then?

[MaryKay1965]

You're right I am not just yanking your chain. Your explanation above does not make logical sense. You are clearly not up to this. Just post your picks and in ten days leave.

Aiki, I can reach out to you, but I just can't touch you.

I'll be glad when this is over, too.

All that will be left is to pick out my book/video. ;)

[Thierry Martin]

I would propose a different ending.

Regardless who wins, how about deleting these entire ds threads and let it die? Keep them in a buried file to continue to reap the Google hits though.

And any new posters inquiring about DS should have to have PM discussion with mods only. Delete all open posts, PM the newb and run with it. That would satisfy the curiousity of the newb, and spare the entire forum from these endless posts. Justifying these threads is worse than promoting them. Hell, I could PM them and sell them on the system, ha!

Not sure if that would be "acceptable" as it will likely keep "knowledge" about a potentially "great system" from the masses.

But just a thought. :)

We finally agree on something. I have thought several times that the best thing to do is to lock the threads closed, and archive them. This is really getting out of hand, has caused endless strife, and is bringing out the worst behavior in all of us. I'd like to let this contest end though, although there is so much reality shifting going on that I doubt anyone will concede defeat. I'm sure everyone will announce victory though!

I saw a lot of conflicts between the regular posters here and the penny stock crowd last year and that is why I split off the penny stocks into their own forum. The disagreements really seems to bring out class issues, judging from the insults that get traded, people being criticized for their social class, going both ways.

If it makes you feel any better Luc1Grunt, far more people come here because of searches for "mad money" "cramer recap" and dozens of other terms than for doubling stocks. We are indexed well though for negative comments about doubling stocks - for instance we are the number one result in Google for "doublingstocks scam" as well as several other variations, where we come up in the top ten. Whether the kind of traffic this brings us is worth much I don't know, but if you are concerned about saving people from being scammed I'm sure the forum has done its duty.

Of course locking threads won't stop people from starting new ones, maybe we should hire you Luc1Grunt as a permanent guard at the gates of hell, turning people back before they fall into the doublingstocks.com abyss.

[Florida]

Refer to post #208 for a more thorough explanation. You have to treat this on a day by day basis, since each stock was purchased on a seperate day. I wrote a very detailed explanation of this in post #208.

MaryKay,

You are somewhat correct if you were making a new trade each day on one stock, and that is the only one you had open, but that is not what you are doing in your example showing a 95% profit.

In your example, using your figures, you actually have 10 trades open with 100 shares in each trade. Some have been open since 1-11-08, with the last one in the example opened on 1-30-08, and according to your figures, each of the trades is still open. As such, you have a total of $3098.00 invested, (plus commissions). On that amount, you have a profit through yesterday's close of $365.00, (less commissions).

If you take the $365.00 profit, and divide it into the $3098.00 investment, you have an 11.8% profit on your investment, (not too bad for less than 3 weeks, but not even close to the 95% you are claiming).

[MaryKay1965]

MaryKay,

You are somewhat correct if you were making a new trade each day on one stock, and that is the only one you had open, but that is not what you are doing in your example showing a 95% profit.

In your example, using your figures, you actually have 10 trades open with 100 shares in each trade. Some have been open since 1-11-08, with the last one in the example opened on 1-30-08, and according to your figures, each of the trades is still open. As such, you have a total of $3098.00 invested, (plus commissions). On that amount, you have a profit through yesterday's close of $365.00, (less commissions).

If you take the $365.00 profit, and divide it into the $3098.00 investment, you have an 11.8% profit on your investment, (not too bad for less than 3 weeks, but not even close to the 95% you are claiming).

Florida,

This has nothing to do with amount of shares purchased or money spent on each share. I think this may be where the confusion starts: My watchlist does not record the opening price for the day Marl recommended a stock. Therefore, for accuracy, I entered 100 shares for every single stock pick and that gave me an exact dollar amount for what 100 shares would cost. Using this method, I could always go back and figure out my opening PPS for each stock pick on the day I "supposedly" bought a share of that stock.

Now, since I know the PPS for opening day (when Marl recommended to buy)and I know PPS for the last closing day, I can accurately determine a %gain/loss, but I don't really have to do that because if you notice, the watchlist automatically gives me this %gain/loss.

As far as adding and subtracting the stocks %gains/losses, you must do this to achieve a true % of gains vs. loses, exactly like the example I pointed out in post #208.

IMO, it gets very confusing when you try to say, "I bought 100 shares or I invested $xxx.xx in each stock. Just treat the 10 picks as purchasing 1 share of every stock that Marl recommended. Then figure the gain/loss % for each stock, using opening price vs. closing price. Once those numbers are aquired, you have no choice but to treat them as individual stock gains/losses, therefore you have to add/subtract the gains/losses.

[MaryKay1965]

We are indexed well though for negative comments about doubling stocks - for instance we are the number one result in Google for "doublingstocks scam" as well as several other variations


This is sooooooo funny. I typed in "doublingstocks scam" in my Google search engine and you are so right, Thierry. The results that come up have the #1 spot going straight to a post by none other than Luc1Grunt, for the post below:

Post #21 in a thread titled: Anyone else receive a PM asking about that doublingstocks scam?

Imagine that.......Luc1Grunt, is helping DoublingStocks climb up the ladder on Google searches.

I think we finally found the culprit we've all been looking for to help DS promote their product.

Hmmm.........Poetic justice at its' worst.

Congratulations Luc1Grunt.......Mission Accomplished

[Luc1Grunt]

This is sooooooo funny. I typed in "doublingstocks scam" in my Google search engine and you are so right, Thierry. The results that come up have the #1 spot going straight to a post by none other than Luc1Grunt, for the post below:

Post #21 in a thread titled: Anyone else receive a PM asking about that doublingstocks scam?

Imagine that.......Luc1Grunt, is helping DoublingStocks climb up the ladder on Google searches.

I think we finally found the culprit we've all been looking for to help DS promote their product.

Hmmm.........Poetic justice at its' worst.

Congratulations Luc1Grunt.......Mission Accomplished


I responded to a post. You started a thread.

You said you would post the picks and nothing more. You are funny.

[Keventerprises]

Post #21:

"So I took off my hat
And said imagine that....
Me, workin' for you".


This is sooooooo funny. I typed in "doublingstocks scam" in my Google search engine and you are so right, Thierry. The results that come up have the #1 spot going straight to a post by none other than Luc1Grunt, for the post below:

Post #21 in a thread titled: Anyone else receive a PM asking about that doublingstocks scam?

Imagine that.......Luc1Grunt, is helping DoublingStocks climb up the ladder on Google searches.

I think we finally found the culprit we've all been looking for to help DS promote their product.

Hmmm.........Poetic justice at its' worst.

Congratulations Luc1Grunt.......Mission Accomplished

MK: What are you talking about? Post #21 had nothing to do with promoting DS, and that's the last thing I would accuse Luc1 of.

[chacho]

I spent $100 on Monday morning, cashed out out $150 at the end of Monday so I now have $150.00. I take $50 of that and put it in my back pocket and use $100 for Tues. purchase of the $100 stock purchase.

Now on Tues. I take $100 (my intial $100 investment) buy another $100 stock and it gains 50%, so I cash out another $150.00. $50 more goes in my back pocket and I have $100 to purchase Wed. stock

On Wed. I repeat the process over again. At the end of the day, $50 is put in my back pocket (I now have $150 in my back pocket) and the remaining $100 is used to purchase 1 share of $100 stock on Thurs.

Thurs........same thing........$200 in back pocket.......

Friday.........same thing........$250 in back pocket plus I still have my orginal $100 investment.

And by Friday, I have a 250% profit. The initial $100 plus the $50 from each day (50% gain/day) I have a total of $350.00 in my possession from a start of only $100.00


So in this example you're cashing out at the end of the day, yet your 95% figure comes from if you "kept holding" to date.
As has been said before, you can't change what you're doing and use the same methodology to come up with your figures.

[Keventerprises]

But, if you think about it, that's not the case.

I spent $100 on Monday morning, cashed out out $150 at the end of Monday so I now have $150.00. I take $50 of that and put it in my back pocket and use $100 for Tues. purchase of the $100 stock purchase.

Now on Tues. I take $100 (my intial $100 investment) buy another $100 stock and it gains 50%, so I cash out another $150.00. $50 more goes in my back pocket and I have $100 to purchase Wed. stock

On Wed. I repeat the process over again. At the end of the day, $50 is put in my back pocket (I now have $150 in my back pocket) and the remaining $100 is used to purchase 1 share of $100 stock on Thurs.

Thurs........same thing........$200 in back pocket.......

Friday.........same thing........$250 in back pocket plus I still have my orginal $100 investment.

And by Friday, I have a 250% profit. The initial $100 plus the $50 from each day (50% gain/day) I have a total of $350.00 in my possession from a start of only $100.00

This is exactly how you have to figure the gains/losses using the watchlist I provided. To better explain it, if I had provided 10 stock picks, then think about 10 days worth of trading and use a method exactly as above. One day could have been a gain, the next a loss, the next a gain, etc. and keep a running tallie until the results are accumulated at the end of the 10 days.

Except that you actually risked $500.00 as a combined total of 5 different trades so your net gain is actually 50%, the same as your average. If you had stopped anywhere along the way you would have been at 50% at any given time.

[Keventerprises]

Mary Kay,
I found you a new Avitar:

2603

[MaryKay1965]

Post #21:




MK: What are you talking about? Post #21 had nothing to do with promoting DS, and that's the last thing I would accuse Luc1 of.

Re-read what I wrote.

I will rewrite it for you, again. Step by step, please try to keep up. Refer back as often as necessary. Take your time, you can do it........

1.) Type "doublingstocks scam" in your Google toolbar.
2.) Push "go" button or "enter" button.
3.) Click on the 1st link that comes up, right below the paid, sponsored links.
The title of this is as follows: Anyone else receive a PM asking about that doublingstocks scam...
4.) Now, read out loud to yourself what is in front of you on your computer screen.......This is Luc1Grunt's post (#21)

He somehow managed to make #1 out of 3650 listings for "doublingstocks scam."

Now, that wasn't so hard, was it?

[MaryKay1965]

Except that you actually risked $500.00 as a combined total of 5 different trades so your net gain is actually 50%, the same as your average. If you had stopped anywhere along the way you would have been at 50% at any given time.

Read the rest of post #208, especially the very first sentence. Pay attention to this first sentence. I copied/pasted it for you below:


Now, to the average person, a first reaction would be: Wait a minute, but you spent $500 on stock ($100 per day X 5 days = $500)

But, if you think about it, that's not the case.

I spent $100 on Monday morning, cashed out out $150 at the end of Monday so I now have $150.00. I take $50 of that and put it in my back pocket and use $100 for Tues. purchase of the $100 stock purchase.

Now on Tues. I take $100 (my intial $100 investment) buy another $100 stock and it gains 50%, so I cash out another $150.00. $50 more goes in my back pocket and I have $100 to purchase Wed. stock

On Wed. I repeat the process over again. At the end of the day, $50 is put in my back pocket (I now have $150 in my back pocket) and the remaining $100 is used to purchase 1 share of $100 stock on Thurs.

Thurs........same thing........$200 in back pocket.......

Friday.........same thing........$250 in back pocket plus I still have my orginal $100 investment.

And by Friday, I have a 250% profit. The initial $100 plus the $50 from each day (50% gain/day) I have a total of $350.00 in my possession from a start of only $100.00

[Keventerprises]

Oddly enough Marl has released their pick early (Thursday, 10pm PST) for Friday 2/1, and it is GMST again repeated from 1/28. It seems lackluster, although it was a positive gain that day, so maybe they got paid to perk it up a bit more. It is back down to $4.24 (Bid) from 1/28 in the $4.60's. Could be a 7-10% gain.

[MaryKay1965]

Except that you actually risked $500.00 as a combined total of 5 different trades so your net gain is actually 50%, the same as your average. If you had stopped anywhere along the way you would have been at 50% at any given time.

Keven, here is my question to you:

If you give me a $100, and I say "hold your hand out" and I give you your $100 back, with an additional $250, then how much would you have in your hand??? You would have $350.

Now, can you tell me how much of a % increase exists between $350 and $100. $350 > $100 by 250%.

Now, how did we come to this conclusion using the 5 stock picks mentioned in post #208, it was a 50% gain per day X 5 days. Remember the $50 profit I was putting in my back pocket? After 5 days, I have $250 plus my original $100 for a total of $350. That is the point I am trying to stress.

If I had only made a 50% increase, as stated by Aiki14, then you would only have $150 in your hand instead of $350.

Does this explain any more why each of the stock picks in the watchlist has to be added/substracted as I had described earlier?

I don't mean to be rude, but if you don't understand this, I can't explain it anymore.

[MaryKay1965]

Marl's pick for Friday: GMST (yes, it is recommended again)

[Keventerprises]

Read the rest of post #208, especially the very first sentence. Pay attention to this first sentence. I copied/pasted it for you below:


Now, to the average person, a first reaction would be: Wait a minute, but you spent $500 on stock ($100 per day X 5 days = $500)

But, if you think about it, that's not the case.

I spent $100 on Monday morning, cashed out out $150 at the end of Monday so I now have $150.00. I take $50 of that and put it in my back pocket and use $100 for Tues. purchase of the $100 stock purchase.

Now on Tues. I take $100 (my intial $100 investment) buy another $100 stock and it gains 50%, so I cash out another $150.00. $50 more goes in my back pocket and I have $100 to purchase Wed. stock

On Wed. I repeat the process over again. At the end of the day, $50 is put in my back pocket (I now have $150 in my back pocket) and the remaining $100 is used to purchase 1 share of $100 stock on Thurs.

Thurs........same thing........$200 in back pocket.......

Friday.........same thing........$250 in back pocket plus I still have my orginal $100 investment.

And by Friday, I have a 250% profit. The initial $100 plus the $50 from each day (50% gain/day) I have a total of $350.00 in my possession from a start of only $100.00

But if you lost your $100.00 on Monday and had to start over from zero and borrow $100.00 for Tuesday and then won the other 4 days and had to pay your brother back it would not be a 200% gain because you have $200.00 total in your back pocket. Just as if you started with nothing and borrowed the $100.00 it would not be a zillion% gain.

[MaryKay1965]

But if you lost your $100.00 on Monday and had to start over from zero and borrow $100.00 for Tuesday and then won the other 4 days and had to pay your brother back it would not be a 200% gain because you have $200.00 total in your back pocket. Just as if you started with nothing and borrowed the $100.00 it would not be a zillion% gain.

Of course you wouldn't because if you lost your $100, then on Tues. morning, you would be starting the trading day at -100%.

So, you would have to gain 100%, just to break even from the 100% loss you took on Monday.

Next question?

[aiki14]

We finally agree on something. I have thought several times that the best thing to do is to lock the threads closed, and archive them. This is really getting out of hand, has caused endless strife, and is bringing out the worst behavior in all of us. I'd like to let this contest end though, although there is so much reality shifting going on that I doubt anyone will concede defeat. I'm sure everyone will announce victory though!

I saw a lot of conflicts between the regular posters here and the penny stock crowd last year and that is why I split off the penny stocks into their own forum. The disagreements really seems to bring out class issues, judging from the insults that get traded, people being criticized for their social class, going both ways.

If it makes you feel any better Luc1Grunt, far more people come here because of searches for "mad money" "cramer recap" and dozens of other terms than for doubling stocks. We are indexed well though for negative comments about doubling stocks - for instance we are the number one result in Google for "doublingstocks scam" as well as several other variations, where we come up in the top ten. Whether the kind of traffic this brings us is worth much I don't know, but if you are concerned about saving people from being scammed I'm sure the forum has done its duty.

Of course locking threads won't stop people from starting new ones, maybe we should hire you Luc1Grunt as a permanent guard at the gates of hell, turning people back before they fall into the doublingstocks.com abyss.

I have to take a lot of responsibility for this, and I apologize to everybody. I'll turn down the rhetoric and post my picks for the contest. I'll leave MaryKays posts to speak for themselves, any derision I could hurl at them and her is unnecessary, anyone who actually understands can see.
I sure hope you're correct about these posts preventing in some way people falling into this trap, that is my main motivation in continuing this. My secondary motivation is to beat MaryKay, I admittedly find her repulsive, and am motivated by this to kick marls butt and see her gone.
Perhaps I am too emotionally invested in this, but, what the hell I have the time.

[aiki14]

For today I'll take ABK on the "Gang of Eight" bailout news.

[aiki14]

Opens today

Marl Pick GMST 4.34
Aiki pick ABK 13.13

[Keventerprises]

Of course you wouldn't because if you lost your $100, then on Tues. morning, you would be starting the trading day at -100%.

So, you would have to gain 100%, just to break even from the 100% loss you took on Monday.

Next question?

If you started with zero, it would be all profit, therefore it would be 100% profit. The term Per Cent literally means Per Hundred. You risked $500 to make $250 on 5 trades of $100 that made $50 each, so your gain is $50 each or 50 per hundred or 50 per cent (50%). There has to be an element of time in the equation, along with risk/reward. If I sell a case of beer for $20.00 that cost me $10.00 it's measured as a 50% gross profit on the sale, not 100% profit because I doubled my $10.00. (If the margins were that good, I'd still be in the beer business). It would only be a 100% profit if I got the beer for free. If you had made one bet with the $500.00, it would be clearly a 50% gain, and actually spread over 5 trades it is technically less than 50%, I believe it was Pinquin who said you can't even average averages. It would be more like 47%.

Little help Pinquin...?

[Keventerprises]

Thanks Aiki,
Yesterday one of Marl's old picks EUOT went up 71% on 100 shares Volume by going from $.0007 to $.0012. So...that gain was shown on a total transaction purchase cost of $.12? Looks good on the books though to say +71%...I was trying to figure out how to sell it short at $.00012 and sell short 1,000,000 shares for a few hundred dollars...but apparently that can't be done, because you can't sell short OTCBB stocks? I suppose Puts are out of the question too. How can we make them buy back their own stocks??? How can we be like Robin Hood and take from the rich and give to...us?

p.s. Watch DBMI tomorrow just for fun, it's down 60% today. Could be the next pick.

Hi Aiki,
I was right about DBMI. It's up +733% on 3,245,000 shares in 3-1/2 hours today! I bought 100,000 shares this morning to test my theory, and then watched it get bid up and I just sold it. I wish I could short sell an OTCBB. Is there any way I can short sell it this afternoon? They will sell their shares and then bid it back down by putting in ultra low bids later. Tomorrow it will probably be at the other end of the chart spectrum, on the bottom.

[chacho]

Hi Aiki,
I was right about DBMI. It's up +733% on 3,245,000 shares in 3-1/2 hours today! I bought 100,000 shares this morning to test my theory, and then watched it get bid up and I just sold it. I wish I could short sell an OTCBB. Is there any way I can short sell it this afternoon? They will sell their shares and then bid it back down by putting in ultra low bids later. Tomorrow it will probably be at the other end of the chart spectrum, on the bottom.

There is a way to short sell OTCBB, or any stock under usual $4 (I think, maybe $2) theshold. But of you have to have lots of money to do it. I think IB is the only brokage account that will let you do it, and you need to have $2.50 for each share you short 8O

So if you wanted to short 100,000 shares, you'd need $250k in your account.

Disclaimer: This is only what I've heard, I do not do it and am not 100% sure on it.

[aiki14]

Closes today
Marl pick GMST opened at 4.34 and closed at 4.47 up 3%
Aiki pick ABK opened at 13.13 and closed at 13.20 up .5%
Totals after 11 days
Marl up 20%
Aiki up 29.5%

The DJIA is up 1.9% during the same time.

[Keventerprises]

Closes today
Marl pick GMST opened at 4.34 and closed at 4.47 up 3%
Aiki pick ABK opened at 13.13 and closed at 13.20 up .5%
Totals after 11 days
Marl up 20%
Aiki up 29.5%

The DJIA is up 1.9% during the same time.

Aiki,
It is unfortunate that extended hours are not included. ABK was up 14.6% close to close. A lot occurred during extended hours, as often seems to be the case. Did you get in on that extended hours gain personally?

[aiki14]

Aiki,
It is unfortunate that extended hours are not included. ABK was up 14.6% close to close. A lot occurred during extended hours, as often seems to be the case. Did you get in on that extended hours gain personally?

Yep bought 1k shares at 13.00, 12.95, and 12.84, and sold at 13.72, and 15.08, still holding 1k shares. I was out to dinner and didn't even see that, hope there is no backslide before open monday. Dadooh got in as well and is holding. So, good for the chat room dwellers. Got a little panicky when some CNBC guest weasel was talking down the bailout, but all's well that ends well. Watched as every time Charlie Gasparino reported on the story the price of the stock shot up. I sent an e-mail to Maria Bartiromo asking her to talk about it during the 3-4 hour and the weasel was the only interview, really irritating.

[aiki14]

Closes today
Marl pick GMST opened at 4.34 and closed at 4.47 up 3%
Aiki pick ABK opened at 13.13 and closed at 13.20 up .5%
Totals after 11 days
Marl up 20%
Aiki up 29.5%

The DJIA is up 1.9% during the same time.

Hey MaryKay, only 9 days left. And while I am nearly 50% ahead of you, you're only 30% behind me. You want to explain that to the newbies who don't understand percentages?

[netwrangler]

Hey MaryKay, only 9 days left. And while I am nearly 50% ahead of you, you're only 30% behind me. You want to explain that to the newbies who don't understand percentages?We also need to explain that to the newspapers who report percentage changes in the earnings of oil companies?

[Keventerprises]

We also need to explain that to the newspapers who report percentage changes in the earnings of oil companies?

Yes, you were in Economics Net, if I didn't have to pay the cost of my suppliers, I would have made alot more money in the beer business!

[netwrangler]

Yes, you were in Economics Net, if I didn't have to pay the cost of my suppliers, I would have made alot more money in the beer business!
Couldn't agree more.

What's your point?

[aiki14]

Couldn't agree more.

What's your point?

I believe he was referring to MaryKay buying the stocks with the same $100 and holding them, and then trying to add the profits without adding the cost.
I am sure no slight was intended.

[netwrangler]

I believe he was referring to MaryKay buying the stocks with the same $100 and holding them, and then trying to add the profits without adding the cost.
I am sure no slight was intended.
Ahh, I see.

My bad for going off-topic in this thread.

[MaryKay1965]

Hey MaryKay, only 9 days left. And while I am nearly 50% ahead of you, you're only 30% behind me. You want to explain that to the newbies who don't understand percentages?

No, I don't. From here to the end of the contest, I will only post Marl's picks and let the contest come to an end. I will not engage in any more than that. I will double check your figures and if I think there is a discrepency, I will ask you to re-check them.

Plans for the future for me include one of the following:

1.) Lose the contest and leave the forum, forever.
2.) Win the contest, kindly ask you for my book/video or cash equivalancy transfered to my PayPal account, and then leave the forum, forever.

So, either way, you will win. Let me be the first one to say: Congratulations, job well done.

I hope this is satisfactory to you. I'm sure it will be.

[aiki14]

No, I don't. From here to the end of the contest, I will only post Marl's picks and let the contest come to an end. I will not engage in any more than that. I will double check your figures and if I think there is a discrepency, I will ask you to re-check them.

Plans for the future for me include one of the following:

1.) Lose the contest and leave the forum, forever.
2.) Win the contest, kindly ask you for my book/video or cash equivalancy transfered to my PayPal account, and then leave the forum, forever.

So, either way, you will win. Let me be the first one to say: Congratulations, job well done.

I hope this is satisfactory to you. I'm sure it will be.

That certainly works for me, you have contributed nothing of value here.

There is a bit of dissatisfaction though, because this forum could clearly be of value to you as it is to others who come here in search of information. I would urge you to request that Thierry change your screen name, and you change your agenda, and your attitude, and use the forum for that which it is best utilized.
This forum is a great resource for those who seek information, it's why I came here, why I stay here, and why I seek to protect it from the threat you pose to it, intentionally or otherwise.
Thank you for the opportunity to show DS and Marl for what it is, and show that some anonymous average investor can take it on it's own terms and beat it.

[Keventerprises]

Couldn't agree more.

What's your point?


I believe he was referring to MaryKay buying the stocks with the same $100 and holding them, and then trying to add the profits without adding the cost.
I am sure no slight was intended.

Yes, I needed help with my case, and I remembered Net had experience in that field and was calling on his expertise. Economics is a respectable field and I enjoy hearing and thinking about it.

With Respect,

Kevin

[Firecracker]

Closes today
Marl pick GMST opened at 4.34 and closed at 4.47 up 3%
Aiki pick ABK opened at 13.13 and closed at 13.20 up .5%
Totals after 11 days
Marl up 20%
Aiki up 29.5%

The DJIA is up 1.9% during the same time.

YAY AIKI !

:five: